Today, we're joined by Hollie Davidson in a different type of interview - different because the questions weren't asked by Keith. This is the audio of a longer interview conducted by Laura-Jane Jones for TNT Sport in November last year, but made available with other media outlets. It's full of gold!

If you missed the last episode with Tarsh Ganley, then you can listen here

Areas covered in today's episode:

1. Off-field Hollie -How having non-rugby hobbies is so important
2. The switch from women's to men's
3. Being the only female in men's camp
4. Knowing what a red card feels like - and learning from those feelings
5. Her team around her - growing together and those who went before
6. Her lead up to the Wales v NZ in November
7. The benefit of being a female in the men's space
8. Referees being in the room around rugby conversations at World Rugby level
9. Player turned referee
10. Trolls and how it feels to be a ref under the microscope
11. Her future - after refereeing, but also the near future with RWC 2027 on the horizon

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Today, I'm joined by Natarsha Ganley from New Zealand to chat about her rise from newbie to Rugby World Cup referee.

We chat about her starting story, her new day job, her referee career to date, overcoming injury at a crucial point in the selection cycle, and her RWC experiences. We also chat about what's next, including how she's heading north for three months in 2026 to gain refereeing experience in England's PWR league.

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Today, we're joined by Jonny Cartwright, who you may know as The_Bald_Ref on Instagram. He's just been recognised as Loosehead Of the Year 2025 at the Looseheadz Community Awards.

We talk about:

• Jonny's journey from coach to referee
• How he develops referees in his role as T&D lead in Manchester & District Referees (MADRefs)
• How Looseheadz is and how he got into supporting them (trigger warning)
• #WaffleWednesday
• His officiating at the World Record rugby matches in Ireland earlier in 2025
• How he got into trouble for calling out clubs on Instagram when they fail to respect referees
• The effect that has on referee resilience and mental health of match officials

Resources & Links:

• Jonny on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/the_bald_ref/
• LooseHeadz: https://looseheadz.co.uk/
• LH help and support: https://looseheadz.co.uk/help-and-support/
• Previous episodes covering mental health and resilience subjects in rugby and refereeing - Nick Marshall and Tim Wyatt

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