Is your organization actually practicing AI Governance, or are you just running a fancy AIOps pipeline and calling it a day?

In this episode of Cybersecurity Refined and Feral, Candy Alexander and Cailin Sullivan sit down with the ultimate "in-the-trenches" practitioner: James Kavanagh. As a former engineering leader at AWS and Microsoft, James delivered the world’s very first accredited ISO 42001 certification for a global technology platform. He’s here to expose the fluff, the buzzwords, and the massive disconnect between the people talking about AI governance and the few who are actually doing the work.

If you think a list of "vanilla ethical principles" or an MLOps dashboard means your enterprise is safe, secure, and lawful—think again.

🎯 What We Dive Into:

• The Nomenclature Trap: Why the industry is desperately confusing day-to-day operational tools (AIOps, data cleaning, patching) with systemic risk governance.
• Talkers vs. Doers: James breaks down why the actual builders are less confused than the consultants, and why we are repeating the exact same "compliance vs. security" mistakes we made in cyber 15 years ago.
• The 8 Disciplines of True Oversight: Why you can't just condense AI oversight into a single role or siloed department, and how to embed it where the work actually happens.
• The 3 Leaps of an AI Career: James maps out the fascinating trajectory of the modern AI practitioner—from getting "book smart" to mastering the human dimension of influence and leadership.
• The Five Eyes Warning: Why the latest intelligence advisories aren't just about securing your AI, but defending your entire infrastructure against AI threats.

The Bottom Line: Don't let the talkers confuse you. Tune in to learn how to step away from the corporate "AI Constitution" binder and start building practical, street-level adaptive mechanisms that actually hold under pressure.

🔗 Connect with James Kavanagh:

• Website & Practitioner Assessment: Head over to AICareer.pro to take the organizational or practitioner assessment and see where you stand on the path to mastery!
• Read His Insights: Check out the master practitioner deep-dives on the AI Career Pro blog.

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