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In this episode of The Executive Thought Partner Podcast, Daniel sits down with his good friend Trip Smith — pastor, founder of a new church expression launching south of Charlotte, and team member at Impact Partners, a nonprofit that equips faith-based organizations to achieve their mission. Trip's path ran through UNC Chapel Hill, corporate marketing, divinity school, and local church ministry before landing him at the intersection of nonprofit strategy and pastoral care — a vantage point that gives him a rare, grounded read on why so many mission-driven leaders burn out.

The conversation goes deep on the trap of performance culture in the nonprofit world: the hyper-competent leader who gets rewarded for grinding themselves down "for the mission" until their identity and their toil become indistinguishable. Daniel and Trip unpack the difference between leading from your title and leading from your calling, why grace can only be given once it's been received, and the shift from "I have to go to work" to "I get to go to work." If you've ever felt like your job started running you instead of the other way around, this one's for you.

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