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What if the tension we keep trying to fix is not meant to be fixed? It takes a mule, a tightrope walker, a bottle of Shiraz and a mild disagreement over whether paradox is an 'invitation' or a 'demand' to get anywhere near an answer. (Paul votes 'demand'.)

KG and Paul spent time in the Podcave with Wendy K. Smith, a professor of management and co-author of Both/And Thinking, who has spent 25 years playing with paradox - from IBM's move to the cloud to career decisions and political polarisation. She also writes about it on her Substack at It's Not an Either/Or.

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Sláinte friends! Great to see you again!!

Useful resources from this episode

1. Wendy K. Smith on LinkedIn
2. It's Not an Either/Or, Wendy's Substack
3. Both/And Thinking by Wendy K. Smith and Marianne Lewis
4. Fogo Island Inn and Shorefast
5. Polarity Partnerships (Barry Johnson)
6. KO Insights (Kate O'Neill)
7. Cheeky Half 41: Human dignity in the age of AI

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