In this episode, Roy and Catherine reflect on how their own definitions of success have shifted with age. Roy shares how success once meant assets, achievements, and places he'd traveled — but now means being a good son, a good father, and living in a way that never comes at someone else's expense, becoming mission-driven rather than life-driven, where a real purpose brings everything together for the benefit of others, even people he'll never meet. Catherine traces a similar evolution — from asking whether she's contributing something that matters, to a deeper question of how she's actually showing up in the world: her energy, her presence, and how aligned her daily life is with what she feels truly called to do. She shares a phrase that came out of a recent conversation with ChatGPT — that life is saying to us "come and play" — and describes success as those moments of being fully in that zone, playful and free of ego, peace of mind, and feeling at one with herself, others, and the world. They close with a reminder that success doesn't have to look like anyone else's version of it — only your own.

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