In this episode, Roy and Catherine ask each other a deceptively simple question: what are you learning right now? Catherine shares a lesson from day one of her humanistic psychology master's degree — that literally everything is a learning opportunity, not just formal workshops — and how she trained herself to notice learning happening constantly, including right now on this podcast, where she's practicing making a point quickly and meaningfully instead of over-explaining it. Roy shares two things he's picked up: starting a Spanish podcast to genuinely learn the language, partly for his love of Spain and the many Spanish-speaking countries he's visited, and partly because he believes learning a new language is simply good for the brain alongside his English, Irish, and Polish. He also opens up about picking guitar back up — something he tried once before and gave up on when his teacher clearly wasn't invested — and how he recently shipped his old guitar over from Ireland and roped in his musically talented brother to finally learn properly, this time from a place of enjoyment rather than obligation, with hopes his son might pick up a few chords too.

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