In this raw and reflective episode, I reconnect with Joei Jordan, calling in from behind the walls, for a powerful follow-up to his first appearance on the podcast. The last time we spoke, Joei was serving life without parole (LWOP)—sentenced at just 20 years old. Today, his future looks dramatically different.

On April 1, 2025, the Michigan Supreme Court issued a groundbreaking decision in People v. Poole, extending resentencing protections retroactively to those like Joei. With additional rulings in People v. Taylor and People v. Czarnecki, the Court affirmed that 19- and 20-year-olds deserve the same individualized sentencing considerations as 18-year-olds under the Michigan Constitution.

Joei walks us through:

• The recent Supreme Court decision that changed everything
• What it means for his case—and hundreds of others like him
• The resentencing process and what comes next
• The complex emotions of hope, guilt, and readiness
• His belief that he still owes a debt to society
• And the hard question I pose:
  “Are you ready to come out and be successful, or just tired of being in prison?”

We also reflect on what "rehabilitation" really means, and what it takes to transform a life behind bars into one of purpose beyond them.

This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in justice, redemption, and the real human stories behind systemic change.

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In this powerful episode, I sit down with Brother Malaci Muhammad, a deeply rooted voice of transformation, truth, and liberation. We trace his incredible journey—from navigating the complex relationship between the Nation of Islam and the Melanics, to joining the Nation of Islam and our shared commitment to the fight for justice and freedom for Brother Dyson X.

Brother Malaci opens up about the moment he discovered the identity of his father, the impact of that knowledge, and how it shaped his sense of self during and after his time behind the wall. After serving 29 years as a juvenile lifer in Michigan, he walks us through the realities of reentry, radical faith, and resilient hope.

We dive deep into:

• The abolition of the carceral system
• The culture shift in prison over three decades
• The rise in gang population and what that shift meant on the inside
• The question: "Can you truly get better in prison?"
• And I ask the layered, sometimes polarizing question: "Can a woman raise a man?"

This is not just a conversation—it's a window into survival, belief, and the pursuit of purpose beyond the cage.

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“Time is the most valuable asset in life…”

In this episode, I sit down with Ethan Calloway, who served 9 years in MDOC. Ethan shares his firsthand experience with the challenges of prison programming, the gaps in rehabilitation, and how these issues impact reentry.

But this conversation is also personal—Ethan had a front-row seat to my transformation while we were both inside. He shares his perspective on witnessing my change and how it shaped his own outlook on life after incarceration.

Now back home, Ethan opens up about his first steps post-release, the struggles of reintegration, and the unexpected obstacles he's facing. From navigating a changed world to redefining his purpose, this episode is a raw and honest look at the realities of coming home.

Tune in for a deep, personal, and powerful conversation about friendship, growth, and the road to redemption.

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“Everything that happened had to happen that way to make me who I am…”

In this episode of the 17 Winters podcast, we delve deep into the life of Steven X Jones, a man whose journey through the tumultuous landscape of crime and redemption offers profound insights into the human experience. Serving 12 years for armed robbery, Steven is not just a statistic; he is one of the most intelligent individuals I encountered during my time behind bars.

Steven shares his story of growing up with a father figure who was a provider that shaped his early years, yet still found himself going down a path of poor choices. We explore the complexities of familial relationships and the impact they have on one's identity and decisions. After his release, Steven faced the heartbreaking reality of losing his father, a loss that has left an indelible mark on his quest for purpose and redemption.

We examine the struggles of reintegration into society, the search for meaning beyond prison walls, and the resilience required to overcome personal demons. Steven's journey is a testament to the power of self-reflection and the hope for a better future, reminding us that even in the darkest times, there is a path to healing and understanding. Tune in for an unforgettable episode that challenges perceptions and highlights the strength of the human spirit.

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"Breaking the cycle of incarceration.”

In this eye-opening episode of the 17 Winters podcast, we meet Hakim Crampton, a resilient individual who spent 15 years in the Milwaukee prison system for a crime he did not commit. Now, nearly two decades after his release, Hakim shares his incredible journey of survival, struggle, and triumph, all while navigating the complexities of life on parole.

Hakim’s story sheds light on the harsh realities of inter-generational incarceration, highlighting how systemic issues impact families and communities. After being wrongfully convicted, he was eventually granted early release under the stipulation of remaining on parole for the remainder of his sentence. Despite these challenges, Hakim has emerged not just as a survivor but as a prolific author, having published nine books that articulate his experiences and insights gained from years behind bars.

Listeners will hear about his time spent in a private prison, where he focused on building programs aimed at rehabilitation and education, not only for himself but for fellow inmates as well. His dedication to changing the narrative around incarceration and advocating for justice reform is inspiring.

Hakim's story is a powerful reminder of the strength of the human spirit and the importance of fighting for truth and redemption. Tune in for a thought-provoking conversation that challenges perceptions and inspires change.

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In this thought-provoking episode, Sidney and I engage in a compelling discussion as we explore the complexities of the 13th Amendment of the US Constitution. This episode delves into the nuances of justice, freedom, and the implications of incarceration.

One of the key questions we tackle is whether PTSD is considered real or respected if it is self-inflicted—specifically, when individuals commit crimes, place themselves in prison, and are ultimately responsible for navigating their own trauma. Sidney shares insights and personal perspectives on this sensitive topic, prompting a deeper examination of accountability and mental health within the criminal justice system.

Join us for a candid conversation that challenges conventional views and encourages listeners to reflect on the intersection of personal responsibility and the mental health challenges faced by those impacted by incarceration. This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in understanding the complexities of trauma, justice, and the human experience.

There will be multiple entries on this topic so this is part 1. To be continued…

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In this powerful episode of The 17 Winters Podcast, I kick it with Chamar Avery, who shares his harrowing journey from being sentenced to 20-50 years for a murder he didn’t commit to his exoneration after serving 8 years behind bars. Chamar opens up about the struggles he faced during his time in prison and the fight for justice that ultimately led to his freedom.

We delve into his remarkable transition from convicted murderer to completely exonerated individual, exploring the challenges of reintegrating into society and redefining his identity. Chamar’s story doesn’t end with his release; he has since made a name for himself in the entertainment industry, starring in films like "Buffed Up" and "211," as well as the hit series "McGraw Ave."

Join us for an eye-opening conversation about resilience, redemption, and the power of storytelling, as Chamar inspires us with his incredible journey from darkness to a bright future in Hollywood. This episode is a testament to the strength of the human spirit and the importance of fighting for truth and justice. Don’t miss it!

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“Prison saved me from me…”

In this episode of I sat down with entrepreneur and visionary, Vonte X, the founder and driving force behind Legalize the Hustle. Vonte opens up about his early struggles, including the challenges he faced when returning home and the business missteps that shaped his journey.

Vonte shares his experiences running up credit and the crucial lessons he learned about leveraging funds wisely. He discusses the transformative power of belief, both in himself and from those around him, as he navigates the complex landscape of rebuilding his life.

We also discuss the challenges of securing housing as a felon, revealing the surprising insight that buying a home can sometimes be easier than getting someone to lease to you.

Join us as Vonte reflects on the true brotherhood he found behind bars in The Nation of Islam and the immense value of peer-to-peer programming in fostering growth and resilience. This episode is a testament to the strength of the human spirit and the power of community in overcoming adversity. Tune in for an inspiring conversation that encourages listeners to embrace their journeys and rise above their circumstances.

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