Training vs trying is the central theme of this conversation as Dr. Tom Pound and Joshua Meyer explore how spiritual transformation happens by disciplined practices rather than intermittent effort. Starting from John Ortberg’s distinction and moving into the practical four-pillar plan used at Spring Hills (daily devotions, weekend sermons, small-group discussion, and follow-up podcasts), the episode models a training loop you can join. The hosts unpack 1 Peter 1:10–17 with special attention to verse 17 and its tension: God as approachable Father and impartial Judge, and the invitation to live as temporary residents with holy carefulness. You’ll hear pastoral stories, counseling applications, and cultural perspectives that help the passage speak into parenting, marriage mentoring, battling consumerist prosperity teachings, and honoring elders. If you want spiritual habits that last, this episode gives both theology and actionable next steps for groups and individuals. Listen now.

1. Tell about a time you trained for something (a race, instrument, or skill). What did consistent practice change?
2. In your own words, what is the tension in 1 Peter 1:17 between God as Father and God as Judge?
3. Do you tend to relate to God more as a loving Father or an impartial Judge? Why?
4. What one spiritual discipline could you commit to for the next 30 days to move from 'trying' to 'training'?
5. How could your small group use the four-pillar plan (devotion → sermon → discussion → podcast) to deepen spiritual formation?