In this episode, I sit down with Professor Jonathan Passmore for a grounded conversation about coaching as a profession, how it has evolved, and what it takes to do it well in the real world. We start with his path: the early roles, the consulting years, and the move into academia, all shaped by a consistent interest in what actually supports human change, not just what sounds good in theory.

From there we look at the way coaching has shifted over the last two decades. It’s no longer an executive perk tucked inside leadership development. It’s increasingly used at scale inside organizations navigating strategy shifts, mergers, and technology change. Jonathan offers a clear view of what has improved, what has gotten diluted, and why the coaching relationship still matters when everything is moving fast.

We also spend time on the craft: what coaches need to notice, what gets missed when coaching becomes overly procedural, and why presence includes more than good questions. We talk about the role of the body in sense-making, and the importance of humor, not as performance, but as relational timing that builds trust.

AI comes in as one part of the bigger picture. We touch on what it can offer, where it falls short, and why ethics, governance, and discernment matter if coaching is going to expand responsibly. We close with a personal reflection: how this work has shaped Jonathan over time, and what he’s still practicing, especially the ongoing discipline of listening well.

Season 5

Host: Lyssa deHart, LICSW, MCC, BCC
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Website Lyssa deHart

Producer: Michele Logan

Video Editor: Sebastian Crespo

Social Media: Lizana Guillen

Music: Frolic by Harrison Amer

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The Wonder of Words: Haesun Moon on Dialogue, Meaning, and the Power of “Languaging”

Haesun shares how her lifelong fascination with language began in childhood, shaped by a mother who taught her the power of “languaging” and a father who instilled a love of linguistic beauty. She traces how this early awareness, coupled with learning multiple languages, shaped her ability to hear nuance, intention, and the life logic embedded in how people speak.

The conversation moves into her groundbreaking work on the Dialogic Orientation Quadrant, born from microanalysis research and refined into an accessible framework for leaders, clinicians, and coaches. Haesun illustrates how conversations move between past and future, resources and struggles, and how what we listen for influences what grows in a dialogue. She offers vivid examples, from her misplaced phone and surprising sense of peace to a handbag in a Korean market that taught her about how we might want to listen like a salesperson, all the while, discussing how perspective can shift everything.

Throughout the episode, Haesun and Lyssa explore curiosity, relational fluency, respectful engagement with metaphors, and the difference between acknowledging someone’s difficulty and diving unnecessarily into it. Their conversation reveals how subtle word choices, like asking “something else” instead of “anything else,” can dramatically increase clarity, reduce unmet needs, and make people feel truly valued.

Rich with practical insights for anyone who wants to become more intentional in communication. We are reminded that dialogue is co-created, meaning emerges moment by moment, and even small linguistic shifts can open pathways to connection, trust, and genuine change.

This is an episode for coaches, clinicians, leaders, and anyone fascinated by the lived poetry of conversation. Haesun doesn’t just teach about dialogue, she embodies it. Her insights linger long after the interview ends, reminding us that our words are tools for shaping meaning, connection, and possibility.

Season 5

Host: Lyssa deHart, LICSW, MCC, BCC
Let's Connect on LinkedIn
Website Lyssa deHart

Producer: Michele Logan

Video Editor: Sebastian Crespo

Social Media: Lizana Guillen

Music: Frolic by Harrison Amer

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Beyond the Individual: Professor Peter Hawkins on Consciousness, Systems, and the Future of Coaching

In this powerful conversation, Lyssa deHart sits down with Professor Peter Hawkins, one of the most influential thinkers in systemic coaching and organizational transformation. Together, they explore the deeper shifts required for leaders, teams and coaches to meet the complexity of our world, moving beyond individual performance toward collective purpose, ecological awareness and relational intelligence.

Peter traces the arc of his remarkable journey, from literature and drama therapy to mental health, psychotherapy and global systems consulting, revealing how each chapter shaped his understanding of human consciousness. He shares the story of his granddaughter’s sudden paralysis, illustrating how his five-step practice of “grumble to gratitude” became not just theory but a profound lived discipline. The conversation expands into the urgency of unlearning individualistic paradigms, the role of beauty in transforming consciousness, the interdependence of all systems we inhabit and why coaching must evolve to serve life itself, not just the person in the room.

This episode is a meditation on purpose, service and the great work of our time: shifting human consciousness so we can respond wisely to the interconnected crises we face. Peter’s humility, clarity and grounded wisdom offer a rare glimpse into what systemic leadership looks like when practiced from deep authenticity.
Listeners will walk away with a richer sense of what it means to coach relationally, lead ecologically and live with radical responsibility for the future we are shaping.

Season 5

Host: Lyssa deHart, LICSW, MCC, BCC
Let's Connect on LinkedIn
Website Lyssa deHart

Producer: Michele Logan

Video Editor: Sebastian Crespo

Social Media: Lizana Guillen

Music: Frolic by Harrison Amer

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