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In this episode, we journey through the eclectic world of conducting, education, and cultural authenticity — with a side of humor and some self-deprecating confessions. Our guest, Dr. Anthony Marinello III, is an exemplary musician and educator (and self-professed Commuter) who shares insights on everything from embracing the non-linear career path to the importance of humility, authenticity, and even a mid-career crisis or two. Get your pencils out as Tony shares a treasure trove of great ideas, quotes, books, podcasts, composers and authors to check out. Peter, Chris, and Phil are still trying to spell their own names.

Key Takeaways:

• Embracing the chaos: Careers don’t follow a straight line—thank goodness! Our guest’s journey from dentistry to music illustrates how the "multiverse" of possibilities keeps life interesting.
• The power of humility and curiosity: Approach students and colleagues with respect and a willingness to learn. Be flexible enough to change your mind and your sound.
• Authenticity over stereotype: True artistry comes from bringing genuine heart and cultural humility, not just imitating or appropriating.
• The importance of mentorship and identity: From LSU to Virginia Tech, mentors shape us immensely, emphasizing that relationships and feedback are the real game-changers.
• The value of risk-taking: Sometimes, the best moments happen when you decide to "go for it" despite fears and uncertainties—like risking a rehearsal or an emotional risk on stage.
• Cultivating community: Whether rehearsing socially or on stage, building trust and respect within groups makes the magic happen—and even a broken window can be a teaching moment.
• The influence of podcasts and psychology: Exploring the human element—feelings, shared stories, and vulnerability—can elevate ensemble performance and leadership.
• The importance of "telling your truth": Show up, do the work, be authentic, and stay flexible in your creative and professional pursuits.

Resources:

• Learn more about Tony here
• Illinois State University
• Work of Adam Grant – Rethink, grow, and challenge your assumptions
• Mark Brackett’s Emotional Intelligence – Cultivating emotional literacy in leadership
• Ira Glass’s Creative Process – The patience, craft, and time needed to develop mastery

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There is no greater a stumble than an Ostrander introduction of a guest. No helping hands from Gleason or Haberman, either. Our guest is stranded on an island of poorly phrased questions, out of touch follow-ups and frequent misdirects. Our guest David Scalise follows a trend of well-informed, star powered teachers. He handles our poor hosting with ease and a great laugh. He is part of the fabulous Apple Valley music program in Minnesota. David leads the award winning Apple Valley R&B band, and many other groups at the high school. He has had a wide ranging successful teaching career and is the model for meeting students where they are.

Learn more about David & the Apple Valley Program here:

https://www.youtube.com/@davidscalise8985

https://www.avrb.band/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17AopbAxLR8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG9xAxaMae8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MMd3iM-_h8

There are a million of these videos - all great.

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2027 BEYOND THE NOTE FESTIVALS - A few Jazz spots remain!!

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Wisconsin Arts Celebration Project (Marie Douglas “Yellow Birds”)

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Get ready for an insightful and humor-packed conversation with Dr. Alicia Neal—a leader whose passion for music education, community building, and authentic connection shines through every story. Whether you're a seasoned educator or just a band nerd at heart, this episode offers valuable lessons on fundamentals, inclusion, and the joy of teaching music.

Resources:

• Alicia Neal - Biography
• The Hill We Climb: LGBTQ+ Band and Belonging by Rob Taylor & Eric Lung
• Alan McMurray's profile
• Howard Hughes - Biography
• University of Colorado Boulder
• Eastern Illinois University Bands

Credits:

Omar Thomas Of Our New Day Begun - "The President's Own" United States Marine Band Performed on February, 26, 2023, at Northern Virginia Community College's Rachel M. Schlesinger Concert Hall and Arts Center in Alexandria, Va. https://www.youtube.com/watchv=uumlUtrAimk&list=RDuumlUtrAimk&start_radio=1

"The Lonely Goatherd" scene from Rodgers & Hammerstein's The Sound of Music (1965). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmmOJx_Hxto

Wycliffe Gordon Trombone Solos Jazz in Marciac 2009 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBTPkNd3D8w

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2027 BEYOND THE NOTE FESTIVALS - FOUR JAZZ SPOTS REMAINING

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Wisconsin Arts Celebration Project (Marie Douglas “Yellow Birds”)

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