Richard Tromans of Artificial Lawyer is back with Zach and on the attack as they square up over whether massive Legal AI funding, truly signals systemic transformation. They then discuss whether these massive sums of money are hitting a tipping point and what could happen if the levee breaks. Maybe the legal industry is simply running in place.

In this Episode:

00:00 Zach’s Hot Disruptive Legal Take 00:42 Could Harvey be Valued at $16B? 01:50 Legal AI Fatigue 03:20 Harvey, Legora and The Big Short? 08:46 Legal AI a Luxury Handbag Market? 10:31 AI Wizards and Muggles in Big Law 13:35 The Seeds of Systemic AI Impact 21:36 Valuations Signal Technology is Essential In Legal Service Delivery 23:02 Jevons Paradox and the Volume of Modern Contracts 30:08 AI Still Needs Daycare 36:48 “New Mod” and “AI First” Firms are Pressuring Big Law 44:18 Is the Market Wrong on TR/Lexis 49:48 Are Chief AI Officers CINOs Differently Packaged?

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A 35-Year Big Law Veteran Is Doing the Best Work of His Career With AI But He Doesn’t Call His Firm AI-First. Brian Belt explains why Acevedo Belt is “judgment-first,” why he thinks legal AI is a bargain, and how AI is changing everything from junior-lawyer training to the kinds of matters a small firm can take on.

In this episode:

0:00 Zach's Hot Disruptive Legal Take 4:25 The Big Law Veteran Who Loves AI 6:21 "Harvey Writes Better Than I Do" 7:39 Why "ROI" Is the Wrong Metric 11:13 Clients Notice the Difference 13:47 You Can Finally Train Junior Associates 16:07 New Way to Train Associates 21:17 Scaling Up and Scaling Down 24:24 Why Harvey Is Better for Small Firms 28:46 Legal AI is a Bargain! 34:46 Process Mapping & the Best Use Cases 36:59 Why Not Just Use the Base Models? 37:54 Do Your Old Big Law Colleagues Get It? 40:32 What Is a "Judgment-First" Law Firm? 43:21 Do the Best Lawyers Run on No Sleep?

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What happens when a veteran litigator starts treating AI less like a chatbot and more like an operating system for his cases? In this episode, Zach speaks with Arlo Devlin-Brown, founder of TDB Law, about how AI is changing the way he actually practices law. They discuss why AI may be particularly powerful for litigators, how Arlo has built an AI-powered system that continuously tracks his cases, and why the technology is more useful for exploring arguments and strategy than simply generating finished work. The conversation also explores the future of junior lawyers, why big law’s leverage model may be under pressure, and why Arlo rejects the idea that firms should sell themselves as “AI-native” rather than simply being excellent lawyers who use AI well.

In this episode:

Why AI may be more transformative for litigation than transactional law

How Arlo uses AI as an operating system and shared memory for his cases

Why AI can make junior lawyers more valuable, not obsolete

How AI could fundamentally reshape the Big Law leverage model

Why “AI-native” law firms may be missing the point

What happens when a veteran Big Law attorney leaves a traditional partnership to help build a law firm from scratch? In this episode, Zach speaks with Batya Nadler, Partner at Norm Law, about her decision to join one of the legal industry's most ambitious AI-native firms. They discuss how Norm combines experienced lawyers with legal engineers and AI agents, why repeatable legal workflows are the ideal starting point for automation, and how AI is changing, not replacing, the role of senior attorneys. The conversation also explores why client relationships remain the foundation of legal practice, what skills lawyers need to thrive in an AI-first world, and why Batya believes the future belongs to firms built around AI from day one.

In this episode:

• Why Batya left Big Law to help build an AI-native law firm from the ground up
• How legal engineers and AI agents are transforming repeatable legal workflows
• Why senior lawyers remain essential, even as AI automates more legal work
• How Norm is rethinking the traditional law firm model around AI-native infrastructure
• What lawyers can do today to become AI-fluent and prepare for the future of legal practice

In this episode:

•⁠ ⁠Why AI is turning general counsel into technology leaders inside their organizations •⁠ ⁠Why enterprise legal teams need more than ChatGPT to transform their workflows •⁠ ⁠How legal departments can finally measure ROI and demonstrate business value •⁠ ⁠Why traditional CLM systems failed and what comes next •⁠ ⁠How legal engineering is becoming one of the most important new roles in corporate legal

Why would top venture capital firms invest $60 million into an immigration law startup at a $750 million valuation? In this episode, Zach speaks with Dan Mishin, founder and CEO of Manifest, about his vision for transforming one of the most complex and underserved areas of legal practice. They discuss why immigration law became the company's first focus, how AI is helping lawyers process cases faster and more accurately, and why Manifest is building far more than a traditional law firm. The conversation explores the challenges facing both lawyers and clients in the immigration system, the opportunity to create AI-native legal infrastructure, and what happens when software, operations, and legal expertise are combined into a single platform.

In this episode:

• • Why investors valued Manifest at $750 million after its first major funding round
  • How AI is transforming immigration law through speed, accuracy, and automation
  • Why Manifest is building legal infrastructure, not just another law firm
  • The hidden operational problems holding back many legal practices
  • How AI-native platforms could help lawyers serve more clients at lower cost

In this episode:

• Why law firms are investing heavily in AI

• How legal teams can prepare for a future where AI agents perform increasingly complex work

• Why legal-specific AI products still matter in a world of Claude, GPT, and other frontier models

• How AI is changing the economics of legal services and creating new opportunities for firms

• Why Max believes legal AI could become a trillion-dollar market opportunity

In this episode:

• Why Will believes many legal AI products are little more than thin wrappers around frontier models
• How vibe coding is enabling lawyers to build software without traditional engineering backgrounds
• The case for open-source legal AI and local-first deployment in law firms
• Why more firms are exploring building their own AI tools instead of buying them
• How AI could lower the barriers to starting a law firm or legal tech company