Coming out of last week's conversation with Dr. Patel on Less Is More and the power of doing less for our physical health, this episode of Pay Attention turns toward the mental and emotional habits that quietly shape our lives.

Holly sits down with Amy Kemp, author of I See You, to explore why working harder eventually stops working—and how many of our most celebrated traits are actually survival mechanisms formed long before we were conscious of them.

Together, they examine how thought habits are formed, why the brain resists change even when something no longer serves us, and how intuition gets buried under years of over-functioning and responsibility.

This conversation bridges neuroscience, lived experience, and mindfulness to reveal how awareness—not effort—is what creates real agency.

In this episode, you'll explore: Why you can't outwork your thought habits How survival patterns become damaging when we outgrow them The quiet loss (and recovery) of intuition Why high-achieving women often feel unseen despite outward success How paying attention creates the space for change If Less Is More invited you to reconsider your relationship with health, this episode invites you to look at what you may still be carrying—mentally, emotionally, and unconsciously—and how to begin letting go.