In this episode of the Lead to Win podcast, Jabin Chavez joins Pastor Jeff to talk about the real cost of leadership at the next level. From public success and private pressure to unmet expectations and pushback, this conversation gets honest about what happens when expansion exposes your internal health.

New levels bring new devils.
New influence brings new responsibility.
And if you’re not healthy, growth will reveal it.

Jabin shares practical wisdom on leading through criticism, building the right team, embracing spiritual maturity, and staying grounded when momentum increases. If you’re building something meaningful — in ministry, business, or leadership — this episode will challenge you to focus not just on growth, but on depth.

Because the question isn’t how big you can grow.
It’s how healthy you are when you get there.

TIMESTAMPS
0:00 - Public Success, Private Strain
1:45 - Vegas Church Plant And Building Miracle
5:55 - From Youth Pastor To Senior Leader
9:50 - Discernment, Timing, And Wise Counsel
14:35 - COVID Shock: Becoming A Leader
18:30 - Casting Vision And Inviting People In
23:20 - Growth Surges And Unmet Expectations
28:40 - Clarity Of Vision Over Crowd Noise
33:10 - Designing Spaces For Connection
36:50 - Filtering Feedback And Inputs
41:20 - Tribe, Comparison, And Security
45:10 - Rhythm Over Balance For Sustainability
49:20 - Managing Time, Systems, And Sermons

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