Podcaster, pastor, apologist, and author Gavin Ortlund joins Dan Doriani to explore what it looks like to disagree with charity in an increasingly polarized world. Gavin unpacks the difference between persuasion and manipulation, why genuine listening requires openness to being wrong, and how to hold theological conviction with humility.

Buy Gavin's books:

The Art of Disagreeing (Paperback) by Gavin Ortlund

What It Means to Be Protestant (Paperback) by Gavin Ortlund

Dr. Lydia Dugdale is a medical ethicist who wants us to rethink the way that we die. From her interests in medicine and religion, she's revived the "Ars Moriendi" (literature on the art of dying) for the modern age. She joins Dan on this episode to discuss her book and why living well means preparing to die well.

Buy Dr. Dugdale's Book: The Lost Art of Dying: Reviving Forgotten Wisdom: Dugdale, L.S.: 9780062932648: Amazon.com: Books

Longtime pastor and author Scotty Smith — founding pastor of Christ Community Church in Franklin, TN, and author of the daily prayer blog Heavenward — joins Dan for a conversation that starts with grace and ends up somewhere more personal. They dig into what Dan calls "horizontal legalism": the subtle habit of keeping a mental ledger of the good we've done for others, and quietly expecting it to be repaid in favor, attention, or love. From there the conversation moves into what that looks like at work (bosses, firing, being "the boss God gave you") and at home (grandkids, marriage, aging out of a leadership role), before Scotty opens up about growing up as what he calls an "emotional orphan" and how that shaped the way he — and many high-performing leaders — chase approval without realizing it.