The Truth in Love Ministry interns—Ethan, Noah, Caleb, and Aaron—continue the Christ in the Old Testament series on the Witnessing Christ Podcast, walking through selected chapters in the book of Numbers. As Latter-day Saints follow these readings in their Come, Follow Me study, this episode equips Christians to engage those same passages while clearly pointing to the biblical gospel.

In these chapters, the Israelites continue their journey through the wilderness, marked by a repeated cycle of complaint, rebellion, and doubt. Again and again, God’s people question His promises—even after witnessing His provision—while God responds with both justice and mercy, disciplining their sin yet continuing to provide for their needs.

The interns explore how LDS teachings often emphasize faith as action, personal agency, and conditional blessings, while Scripture reveals something deeper: a faithful God who keeps His promises despite human failure. From the spies’ report at the Promised Land to the bronze serpent lifted in the wilderness, these accounts ultimately point beyond human effort to God’s saving work.

In this episode, you’ll hear:

• How the Israelites’ repeated rebellion highlights humanity’s sinful nature.
• The difference between biblical faith and LDS views of faith as obedience and effort.
• Why God’s promises are not grounded in human performance, but in His faithfulness.
• How the concept of ongoing revelation and authority shapes LDS interpretation.
• Why words like faith, works, and law can carry very different meanings.
• How the bronze serpent in Numbers points directly to Jesus in John 3.
• The difference between salvation by looking to Christ and salvation by human action.
• Practical questions to help guide gospel conversations with LDS friends and family.

The episode also highlights one of the clearest gospel pictures in the Old Testament: the bronze serpent. While some may see the act of “looking” as something people must do, Scripture points to something greater—the object of faith. Just as the serpent was lifted up for the people’s healing, so Jesus was lifted up on the cross, accomplishing salvation for all who believe.

This episode reminds listeners that the story of Numbers is not about people gradually becoming faithful enough for God. Instead, it reveals a God who remains faithful to His promises, even when His people fail—ultimately pointing to Jesus Christ, who was lifted up so that sinners might be declared not guilty and receive eternal life through faith alone.

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