In Episode 35 of The Gay Rugby Podcast, we sit down with Gabe Garcia (they/them), a former ballerina who walked away from the studio and into the chaos of rugby. Trained in classical dance, Gabe spent years chasing perfection before discovering rugby for beginners - a sport that values presence, teamwork, and showing up exactly as you are.Gabe talks about joining the Phoenix Storm Rugby Club, learning the game from scratch, and finding their footing inside a gay rugby team built on trust and shared effort. We get into the physical shock of contact, how a dance background translates (and sometimes doesn’t), and what makes rugby culture feel different from other sports.The episode also touches on a trans-inclusive rugby match, treated not as a spectacle but as a normal day on the pitch: scrums, tackles, mistakes, and momentum. It’s a small but telling example of why inclusive rugby and LGBTQ rugby clubs have become real entry points for players who never felt welcome elsewhere.This conversation lives at the intersection of rugby podcasts and LGBTQ sports podcasts, offering an honest athlete interview about switching disciplines, starting rugby later in life, and building community through sport. It’s a grounded look at queer athletes in sports, the reality of learning how to start playing rugby, and why rugby keeps pulling in people from unexpected places.