On this episode of “What Are You Even Talking About?” I’m joined by Carlos Tanner from the Ayahuasca Foundation for a conversation about healing that is not cosmetic—it is deep, disruptive, and life-rearranging.

Carlos shares his personal journey through depression and substance abuse, and how working with ayahuasca in the Amazon became a turning point in his recovery. We talk about what people often misunderstand: that this path is not “take a medicine, get a miracle.” It is a process—spiritual, emotional, and physical—requiring preparation, intention, respect, and experienced guidance.

We discuss the role of the shaman, the importance of mindset and gratitude, and the way ceremonial elements—especially icaros (the traditional songs sung in ceremony)—function as more than music. They can be structure, navigation, and spiritual anchoring during an experience that can feel like entering unfamiliar inner worlds.

This episode emphasizes a holistic approach to mental and physical well-being: how outcomes are shaped by intention, integration, support systems, and what you do after the experience when real life shows up again. This is an honest discussion about transformation, responsibility, and the kind of healing that demands you participate in it.

Contact Carlos Tanner: ayahuascafoundation.org

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