Time to put down your differences for this powerful and deeply transparent episode of the Making Love Podcast with Tish and Pastor Roy, the conversation explores a truth that can completely transform any marriage, learning how to fight together instead of against each other.

Conflict is inevitable. Life brings pressure, mistakes, setbacks, and unexpected challenges. The real question is not whether couples will face conflict, but how they choose to respond when it comes. This episode invites you to shift your perspective from blame and division to unity and strategy.

Through raw storytelling and real life experiences, Tish and Pastor Roy open up about one of the most difficult seasons in their marriage, a time marked by financial loss, broken communication, and emotional distance. What could have torn them apart instead became the foundation for a deeper understanding of partnership, accountability, and trust.

They challenge listeners to consider a new approach. What if, in moments of frustration, instead of pointing fingers, you paused and recognized that the real problem is not your spouse, but the situation standing in front of both of you. What if you chose to stand side by side and face it together.

This episode highlights the importance of communication, vulnerability, and letting go of fear based decisions that create distance. It reminds couples that unity is not automatic, it is intentional. Fighting together means protecting the relationship, even in the middle of pain.

If you have ever felt misunderstood, overwhelmed, or on the verge of giving up during hard seasons, this conversation will encourage you to rethink conflict and rediscover the strength that comes from standing together.

Because the strongest marriages are not the ones without struggles, they are the ones that refuse to let those struggles come between them.

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Tish and Pastor Roy Times have been making love and making it last for more than three decades.

They met at Joy Center in El Paso, Texas, dated for two whirlwind weeks, got engaged, and married four months later. Thirty-plus years, three grown sons, and two-and-a-half grand-babies, they're still each other's favorite people.

Roy serves as the local pastor of Joy Center Phoenix, shepherding his community with the same steadiness he brought to a 13-year career as a government contractor and many years in sales and technology.

Tish is an ordained minister of nearly 20 years and the CEO of Tish Times Sales Agency, where she helps high-achieving women build companies that scale beyond them. Together they bring the head and the heart strategy and Scripture, candor and compassion to every conversation.

On the Making Love Podcast, Tish and Roy pull back the curtain on what it really takes to build a marriage rooted in friendship, faith, and purpose. They're not interested in the filtered, picture-perfect version. They're here for the real thing the laughter, the growth, the hard conversations, and the practical, faith-filled tools that help love get better every day.

They live in Phoenix, Arizona, where you'll most likely find them loving Jesus, chasing good coffee, and out on a hiking trail together.

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