Trump and his goons are talking more and more about subverting the election. Leah calmly walks us through our mantra: they’re going to lose. Ezra goes over what we can do to stiffen Dem spines in the life fight over DHS funding this next week. And as always, we discuss your questions about strategy, tactics, messaging, and whether our cat would ever attend a protest (spoiler: no).

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Newly announced No Kings III is on track to become the largest protest in American history! Ezra and Leah welcome to the conversation famed expert in social movements Erica Chenoweth to discuss the strategic logic of nonviolent protest and noncooperation, organizing against ICE, and how we can convince an opposition party to fight back. As always, we take top questions voted live!

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ICE’s terror campaign is escalating. But Democrats in Congress have a rare opportunity to rein them in. What’s the plan? We’re mobilizing for a National Day of Solidarity with Minneapolis on Friday, January 23rd, we’re yelling at GOP members of Congress for backing this fascist regime, and we’re yelling at Democrats in Congress to fight back while they have the chance. And as always, we’re taking your top-voted questions in real time.

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What’s The Plan is a new series and one of America’s largest live, participatory political conversations. Each week, hosts Leah Greenberg and Ezra Levin, co-founders of Indivisible, break down the state of our democracy and what it will take to fight back against rising authoritarian threats in the United States.

This is not punditry. It is people-powered politics in real time, built to inform, mobilize, and grow the pro-democracy movement with clear analysis, shared strategy, and collective action.

What’s the Plan launches on Friday, January 23. Available wherever you get your podcasts.

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