What happens when the people around you are more talented than you?

Rita sits down with longtime friend and pioneering Vineyard worship leader Cindy Rethmeier for an honest conversation about comparison, insecurity, female leadership, creativity, and learning to recognize what only you can bring.

Cindy shares what it was like helping forge a path for women in worship, why increasingly talented musicians once intimidated her, and the lesson that eventually changed everything: comparison is deadly.

They also reflect on the early Vineyard worship movement, raising up people who eventually surpass you, the pressure to “keep up” in modern worship culture, and why the microphone was never supposed to be the goal.

If you've ever wondered whether you're talented enough, gifted enough, or qualified enough to lead the people around you, this conversation is for you.

00:00 Intro
01:15 Welcome Cindy Rethmeier
02:18 The Early Vineyard Movement
06:16 How Cindy Started Leading Worship
11:20 Discovering Her Calling
13:03 Women in Worship Leadership
17:01 Leading with Confidence & Authority
19:29 Leading When Others Are More Talented
20:17 Sponsor: Amazing Kids Curriculum
20:47 Knowing Who You Are
23:09 Has Worship Leadership Changed?
25:21 Finding Your Lane
27:08 Identity Beyond Ministry
31:16 Confidence, Risk & Calling
33:33 Comparison in Worship Ministry
36:10 John Wimber's Lasting Influence
39:55 Remembering Brian Doerksen
44:36 Comparison Is Deadly
48:16 Writing Songs Without an Agenda
52:21 Songs That Still Matter
56:11 Creating Every Day
58:39 Escaping the Pressure to Keep Up
01:02:09 Success vs. Calling
01:04:09 Advice for Young Women Worship Leaders
01:07:10 The Gift of Authenticity
01:08:37 Legacy, Grandchildren & What Matters Most
01:10:26 Final Thoughts & Closing

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