Billionaires all seem to have one thing in common.
It’s not what you think.

In this episode of Music Is Therapy, Hesta Prynn sits down with New York Times journalist and author David Gelles — who has spent years inside boardrooms and private rooms with billionaires, CEOs, and cultural power players — to explore what actually drives wealth, success, and influence.

From Bernie Madoff to Jack Welch to Patagonia founder Yvon Chouinard, David has seen radically different expressions of power and money up close. What connects them isn’t strategy, manifestation, or obsession with money — it’s confidence. And what that confidence is attached to turns out to matter far more than the money itself.

This conversation challenges hustle culture, money mythology, and the idea that wealth automatically delivers worth. It asks a quieter, more unsettling question: what are we really hoping money will fix?

In this episode, we explore:

• The Common Factor: What billionaires actually share — and why it’s morally neutral.
• Money vs. Worth: Does wealth doesn’t create self-worth, or does it reveal where you already place it.
• The Patagonia Paradox: How Yvon Chouinard built a billion-dollar company without chasing money — and then gave it away.
• The Cashmere Prison: Why extreme wealth often creates fragility, not safety.
• Music as Identity Training: How sound helps confidence move from concept into the body.
• The Real Fear: Why the deepest anxiety isn’t having less — it’s ending up wrong.

This episode is for anyone who wants more — but doesn’t want to lose themselves getting there.

Monthly Playlist:

• The Money Month Playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7tOSp6IBYBVFYDD7zEOkpG?si=7535fa44c3ba4aae
• Featured Song: "The Devil Is a Lie" – Rick Ross ft. Jay-Z: The anthem for rejecting limitation and claiming power (and the song that inspired Hesta’s Porsche).

Connect with David:

• David’s Website: https://davidgelles.com/

Connect with Hesta:

• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hestaprynnmusic
• Substack: https://hestaprynn.substack.com/
• Music Connection Therapy Course: https://mct.hestaprynn.com/sales-page
• Hesta Prynn x Dirtbag Billionaire: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1gHxvwSEgIoDRTeP0kwB2O?si=400fa7975d314a1f

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