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We Built a Client Site Live on a Sales Call

We Built a Client Site Live on a Sales Call

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Sean and Andrew stop by to chat about what happens when you build a client website live on a sales call 20 minutes into the presentation. We get into Andrew's cold outreach restart for MetaMonster, the report card angle they are testing with SEO agencies, and somehow end up debating whether Astro or Next.js is the right call for a SaaS marketing site.Links:Andrew’s Twitter: @AndrewAskinsAndrew's website: https://www.andrewaskins.com/MetaMonster: https://metamonster.ai/Slackletter: https://slackletter.com/Sean’s Twitter: @seanqsunMiscreants: http://miscreants.com/Margins: http://margins.so/Sean's website: https://seanqsun.com/For more information about the podcast, check out https://www.smalleffortspod.com/.Transcript: 00:01.20SeanWhat's up?00:01.85AndrewThree, two, Oh, shit. Sorry. ah Awkward.00:05.68SeanAll good.00:06.14AndrewEmbarrassing.00:07.26SeanAll good. Jesus. ah00:12.34AndrewDude, every day that goes by without Metamonster closing a new customer, i just get more and more insecure about my abilities to be a SaaS founder.00:25.30SeanIs that like...00:27.14SeanLike every day, like you have a sales call and they don't buy right away or like, I see.00:31.78AndrewI'm not even like having sales calls is the problem. Yeah, I we we do actually like you know, we've been working on the product when I when I started like breaking it down.00:43.58SeanYeah.00:44.04AndrewI'm like, okay, it makes sense. um It's not like that shocking, but I'm still just like, ah like, is there demand for this thing? Are we wasting our time? What's going on?00:55.96Andrewah um but01:00.21AndrewLike, so what we're doing right now, I do think the product has gotten a lot better.01:06.46SeanYeah.01:06.55AndrewIt still, like, has rough edges, but it is, like, it is way better than it used to be.01:06.56SeanOK.01:15.31Andrewum And um I think it's, like, in a sellable place now. What we're doing right now um is we're trying to spin up cold outreach again and start doing cold outreach.01:33.04Andrewum And i think we've gotten clearer on our ICP. I think we've gotten clearer on like the problem we're trying to solve. um And so hopefully clearer on like the kind of signals we can look for to find good fit customers.01:52.44Andrewum and so and'm like cautiously optimistic about this round of outreach that like and then jade's also almost officially on board so like i will have her to work with and to like help hold me accountable and i think we make a good team bouncing ideas off of each other and just like pushing building momentum together yeah um they02:04.33SeanNice.02:13.65SeanYeah, wait, didn't last time when we spoke, didn't Jade have like 25 demos lined up though or something like that?02:23.19AndrewThey haven't really been converting. um She's only done, i think she's done eight or so, and one may turn into a customer.02:34.04Andrewum But she also hasn't really been pitching and because they're it's largely just like friends of hers, and so she didn't want to come in pitching too hard.02:38.21SeanYeah.02:42.84AndrewIt was more like more approaching them from a feedback standpoint.02:43.16SeanRight, right. but Yeah, I meant like how is how's the feedback going?02:49.49AndrewFeedback has been good, I think. i think But it's it's again, it's that like kind of mom test. it's the kind of It's a lot of feedback that kind of fails the mom test where it's like it's like people like the tool, but they're not adopting the tool.03:01.93SeanHmm.03:07.44Andrewum And I think there's like a million reasons that can be. so like one of the one of the simple things that Jade's starting to do is um when people tell her like hey i'm interested in using this she's going to start scheduling a follow-up meeting to be like great why don't you use it for two weeks and then we'll talk again in two weeks and like create some accountability create a little bit of social pressure um and then in that second call i think we can more think she'll feel more comfortable asking for a sale03:36.05SeanRight. Right.03:44.02SeanYeah, I mean, that makes sense.03:45.17AndrewYeah, because like at that point, they've shown interest.03:45.69SeanYeah.03:47.29AndrewAnd it's like, OK, now it's time to ask for a sale.03:47.81SeanRight.03:50.23Andrewum03:50.31SeanRight. Right. I mean, at that point, they've like actually, if they've actually used it and found it useful, and if they haven't, it's also useful to just know.03:57.68AndrewFigure out why. Try to figure out why.03:58.76SeanYeah.03:59.50AndrewYeah.04:00.44SeanYeah,04:00.47Andrewum And then we're trying to, like, it's like, OK, we also need to prove we can get demos outside of her network. And so let's...04:12.30Andrewbut scale up cold outreach, get that going again. We're doing it manually. When I say scale it up, I just mean, i basically just mean turn it on. I mean, start doing it.04:22.26Seanyeah yeah04:22.96Andrewum We're not like worried about scale. We're trying to do it very manually, very personably do it...
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