In this episode of the Copper State Marching Podcast, hosts Aaron Vogel and Mark Hodge sit down with two of Arizona’s most respected visual educators, Dan Hoffman and Sierra Rogers, for an inspiring conversation on the do’s and don’ts of teaching visual performance.

Dan shares his journey from West Genesee High School in New York to the Arizona marching scene, drawing on his experiences with the Boston Crusaders, Oregon Crusaders, and Madison Scouts. He talks about the importance of building trust with students, focusing on process over product, and prioritizing rehearsal culture before technique. Dan’s advice for educators? Teach with empathy, move slowly and intentionally at the start of the season, and don’t mistake lack of skill for lack of effort.

Sierra, an Arizona native, ASU alum, and veteran of The Academy Drum and Bugle Corps, brings fresh perspective on making visual learning fun and accessible. She emphasizes creativity, comfort, and body awareness, reminding instructors that students need space to explore before they can refine. Her biggest “don’t”? Don’t start with the elite-level movement vocabulary you just did in drum corps—start simple, build confidence, and then layer complexity.

The conversation also covers: 🎯 How to teach rehearsal etiquette from day one 🧠 The importance of understanding the “why” behind every exercise 💪 Effective cleaning strategies and knowing when to simplify drill 🎶 Incorporating music and creativity to keep visual warmups engaging 📈 Evolving design trends in the marching arts—from the high-drama visuals of the 2010s to a return to strong, purposeful drill

The episode wraps up with heartfelt shoutouts to the mentors who shaped both educators’ careers and a reminder that when you build culture, excellence follows.

Listen on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or YouTube. Sponsored by the Arizona Marching Band Association and our incredible partners: MVP Apparel, Vic Firth, Band Shoppe, Encore Gifts, Synced Up Designs, Milano’s Music, IMC, Music for All, Mack Pack, Music Celebrations International, School Funder, the Arizona Cardinals, Bravwell Video Creations, and Yamaha.