Phil and Rob argue over Farke’s approach to the Chelsea game, discuss Gruev’s masterclass against Forest. Rob’s morals are brought in to question and there’s an update on Phil’s lovelife...

After getting over the shock of spotting Rob in a unitard on the street, Phil gives him a lift and reflects on the Arsenal drubbing. As the journey unfolds, the conversation drifts , chants, trasnsfer chat into dangerous toilet-related territory, leading Phil to realise that he needs a small but urgent favour from Rob.

Phil and Rob reflect on Leeds United's 1-1 draw with Everton, Leeds' pursuit of Strand Larsen and whether Leeds are going to be dragged into a relegation battle. Plus the lads discuss Phil's entry into the world of online dating..

Phil and Rob catch up in the pub and reflect on Leeds United's 1-0 win over Fulham, Farke's turn of fortune and what's really behind Brendan Aaronson's renaissance.

Ups and Downs is an audio series following the lives of two Leeds United fans.