In this episode of Le Podcast on Emerging Leadership, Alexis Monville speaks with Manuel Pais, organizational design practitioner and co-author of the influential book Team Topologies (with Matthew Skelton).

Together they explore how modern organizations can improve flow, reduce team cognitive load, and evolve structures without relying on disruptive “big reorgs”.

You will learn:

• The four fundamental team types from Team Topologies: Stream-aligned, Enabling, Platform, and Complicated Subsystem teams

• Why cognitive load limits effectiveness, delivery speed, and satisfaction — and how to identify what drives it

• Why team design is not about labels, but about interactions: Collaboration, Facilitation, and X-as-a-Service

• How Platform teams should alternate interaction modes, not become ticket factories

• What leaders must do to enable evolutionary change: set expectations, invest in support, and protect learning

• Why Manuel believes organizations should invest in dedicated “flow enablers” focused on removing bottlenecks

A practical conversation for CTOs, engineering leaders, product leaders, and anyone shaping teams for sustainable delivery and employee satisfaction.

Find the key findings, the references, and the transcript of the episode in the companion blog post: https://blog-alexis.monville.com/en/2025/06/02/unlocking-flow-and-effectiveness-a-conversation-with-manuel-pais-co-author-of-team-topologies/