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Sabine är kock samt utövare och guide inom NaturPraktik som innefattar bland annat Vision quests.

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Paula Richter är aktiv i Extinction Rebellion.

Så här beskriver sig XR på sin hemsida:

Extinction Rebellion (XR) är en internationell folkrörelse som utgår från vetenskapen och använder fredlig civil olydnad för att uppnå radikal förändring i syfte att minska risken för samhällelig och ekologisk kollaps. XRs tre krav är:

Tala klarspråk

Agera nu

Stärk demokratin

Paula är även en av Klimatpsykologerna, som arbetar med de mänskliga, psykologiska och beteendemässiga aspekterna av miljö- och klimatkrisen; varför vi gör som vi gör och hur vi kan förändra oss.

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English transcript:

I started this podcast because I wanted to something about a problem that I care about.

That we're living in a way that will make it difficulat for people in the future to maybe breath clean air and live in a functioning eco system. It feels very important to do something about it, or at least try.

I think it's something that we all think is important, on some level. To take care of our planet and make sure that those who come after also live a good life. So it's not a left-right issue. And I don't think it's an issue of who bears the responsability, if it's corporations or politians or individuals. Because we're all individuals and I think we can all do something.

Something that worries me a bit is when I hear ideas that the solution is force and authoritarian state solutions. And then I think my message is that I don't think we need that. And I think that if we do go that route of force and authoritarian state solutions that we're not going to like it when we're there.

So I think it want to defend the free market and try to show how it can be the solution and not the problem. I think that economics or capitalism or whatever you want to call it, that it's not other than people trading goods and services with eachother. And that which people want is what corporations will give us. And that this is a very natural part of what it means to be human. And that it's something we've always done. And that problems really occur when we try to control these processes. So I think that if we want to see real change I think there has to be a change in people. In the way that we see ourselves and the world. That a part of being human is to take care of our planet and not to control and exploit it like we've thought for a long time.

So if we can do this we will start to demand things that are sustainable. In everything from how our food is produced to the technology that we use. Companies would listen to their markets which would lead to them adapting and supplying those things.

And I think that if you use the political method of controlling people and to force us to live sustainably, I think you will create a lot of resistance in people, and you won't have achieved any real change.

I think that telling someone that they can't fly or eat meat won't lead to them wanting to live sustainably and that you want to take care of your planet. But I think it would undermine the desire to steward that they do have.

I do however think that there is something to be said about legislation and what we allow big corporations to do. But even here I think the problem is that law and order is to far away from the hands of the people. I think you can see this when you see how a multinational corporation want to build for example a serverhall in a country and they're able to play governments against eachother to see who can offer the most benefitial tax cuts or legislation about employee rights or environmental concerns.

So the idea behind democracy is that the power should be with the people, but in cases like this it doesn't seem like it really is.

So what I wanted to say was that let's take care of our planet and eachother but let's not do it at the expense of our liberty and sovereignty.

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Paula Richter är aktiv i Extinction Rebellion.

Så här beskriver sig XR på sin hemsida:

Extinction Rebellion (XR) är en internationell folkrörelse som utgår från vetenskapen och använder fredlig civil olydnad för att uppnå radikal förändring i syfte att minska risken för samhällelig och ekologisk kollaps. XRs tre krav är:

Tala klarspråk

Agera nu

Stärk demokratin

Paula är även en av Klimatpsykologerna, som arbetar med de mänskliga, psykologiska och beteendemässiga aspekterna av miljö- och klimatkrisen; varför vi gör som vi gör och hur vi kan förändra oss.

Paula kunde bland mycket annat belysa viktiga begränsningar i individens ansvar för att motverka miljöförstöring och pratade övertygande om hur vi måste få till storskalig förändring. Både för att få verklig effekt och för att kunna ta hand om vår oro för klimat och ekosystem.

Samtalet påverkade mitt perspektiv och jag hoppas du som lyssnar också kan lära dig något!

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