What does it take to think differently—and still win?

In this episode, Jamie Hopkins and Kate Duffy sit down with Jay Sugarman, Principal Owner of the Philadelphia Union and Chairman and CEO of Safehold, to explore how unconventional thinking has defined his career. Jay reflects on how frequent change early in life built resilience, sharpened pattern recognition, and shaped a disciplined, principles‑driven approach to decision‑making.

From real estate to professional sports, Jay shares how challenging consensus thinking can reveal opportunity. He explains how applying corporate finance logic to outdated real estate structures unlocked value, and how a development‑first, long‑term mindset transformed a professional soccer organization—proving that thoughtful innovation often outperforms convention.

Key takeaways include:

• How early life transitions fostered adaptability and strategic pattern recognition
• Why contrarian thinking can surface opportunities during periods of market or industry change
• How rethinking legacy structures in real estate led to meaningful innovation
• Why investing in talent development and systems can drive sustainable success

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About our Guest:

Jay Sugarman is Chairman and Majority Owner of the Philadelphia Union and Union Sports & Entertainment.

Mr. Sugarman is also Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of iStar (NYSE:STAR), a leading commercial real estate company in the United States. iStar’s current $6 billion portfolio of real estate interests is located in most major markets throughout the United States and includes interests in office, industrial, multifamily, hotel, land and entertainment properties. Mr. Sugarman is also Founder, Chairman and CEO of Safehold (NYSE: SAFE), one of the fastest-growing REITs since its IPO in 2017. Safehold is revolutionizing commercial real estate ownership by reinventing and modernizing the ground lease industry, with an enterprise value approaching $5 billion.

Mr. Sugarman graduated summa cum laude from Princeton University, where he was nominated for valedictorian and received the Paul Volcker Award in Economics. He received his M.B.A. with high distinction from Harvard Business School, graduating as a Baker Scholar and recipient of the school’s academic prizes for both finance and marketing.