Welcome back to the Word on Fire Show. I'm Matthew Petrusek, senior director of the Word on Fire Institute and the host of the Word on Fire Show. Thank you for joining us. In 2025, Word on Fire Catholic Ministries celebrated its twenty-fifth anniversary. And in October of that same year, Bishop Barron and Word on Fire CEO Fr. Steve Grunow gave a presentation at the Good News Conference in Orlando in which the two men took a deep dive into Word on Fire's origins. How did it begin? What were its animating principles? What were some of its earliest strategies? Where did the name "Word on Fire" even come from? Why, in short, did Word on Fire develop the way that it did? Here to discuss these roots with Fr. Steve Grunow, in this first half of an hour-long conversation, is Bishop Robert Barron.

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Since the mind can infer truths of which it does not have certainty, what judges the validity of an inference in concrete matters? The Illative Sense. It is the power of judging and concluding when not having apodictic certainty. Bishop Barron explores Newman's analysis of the Illative Sense, explaining why it is an essential element in religious conversion.

Topics Covered:

• The Illative Sense
• The nature of certainty
• Formal Inference
• Informal Inference

• Read: The Illative Sense (from the Grammar of Assent)
• Video: The Personalist Spirit of Newman's Thought
• Video: The Freedom of Truth: The Nature of Conscience in Aquinas and Newman
• Book: Communities of Informed Judgement
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In a recent episode of the Joe Rogan show, evolutionary biologist and public intellectual Bret Weinstein observed that two emerging features of contemporary societies, especially, though not exclusively in the West, are challenging the very meaning and purpose of human life: 1) the decoupling of human sexuality from human reproduction—defining sex primarily as recreational and 2) with the rise of AI and robotics, the real possibility that having a job will become entirely optional in the future. By secular standards, pursuing both of these goals seems entirely rational, if not laudable: raising children and going to work are, indeed, challenging, so why shouldn't we live in a world in which both become increasingly rare? Weinstein, however—who doesn't profess adherence to any religious tradition—suggests that humanity may lose something important, if not essential, if we continue down this path. Is he right to be concerned? Is it, in fact, wise to relegate having children and going to work—which defined how most people spent most of their adult lives throughout history—entirely to the realm of subjective preference? Or, in seeking ever greater freedom from these responsibilities, are we undermining what it means to live a fully human life?

A listener asks: How can I respond to "God loves me the way I am"?

Topics Covered:

00:00 | Introduction
01:39 | Bishop Barron's Christmas season
02:48 | Examining Bret Weinstein's grim assessment
06:36 | Procreation as a sign of the covenant
09:34 | Why not frame children through the lens of lifestyle choice?
13:23 | The valorization of personal choice
16:31 | What about celibate priests?
17:52 | Work and technology
23:42 | Can AI or robotics truly replace the human genius?
25:48 | Limitations for using AI
28:06 | The necessity of work in giving a gift
30:02 | Why can't technology help us create heaven on earth now?
33:01 | The active dimension of rest
37:03 | Join the Word on Fire Institute

• Papal Encyclical, Humanae Vitae: Vatican website
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An Essay in Aid of a Grammar of Assent was Newman's most difficult work. While not a formal epistemology (theory of knowledge), Newman prompted a movement away from modern epistemology, stressing certainty that is best found in logic and mathematics, to common sense epistemology, affirming truth that is not absolutely certain. Bishop Barron explains why this epistemology is proper to religious knowledge, which includes notional and real assent.

Topics Covered:

• Why assent is not certitude
• Religious Liberalism
• Notional and Real Assent
• Conscience

• Article: A Meditation on the Grammar of Assent
• Video: Dr. Reinhard Huetter on Newman
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St. Pope John Paul the II memorably observed that the Catholic Church comes from the eucharist and that the eucharist, in turn, comes from priests. As Bishop Barron noted in a recent letter to his diocese, "by an inescapable logic [therefore] no priests, no Church." We should add, however, that priests come from bishops, which expands the ecclesial logic to this: no bishops, no priests; no priests, no eucharist; no eucharist, no church. In other words, bishops not only hold an important administrative position within the Church; tracing their authority back to the apostles and, ultimately, to Jesus Christ himself, they constitute the very sacramental and liturgical foundation of Catholicism itself. That, to say the least, is a weighty responsibility. So what is it like to be a bishop? How does one come to hold this office? What, specifically, do bishops have authority over–and what don't they have authority over? What kind of relationship do they have with each other and with the Holy Father, the pope? What are their day-to-day obligations and activities? And what are some challenges they face that both clergy and laity may not be aware of?

A listener asks what made Bishop Barron want to be a priest.

Topics Covered:

01:38 | Bishop Barron's Thanksgiving in Chicago
02:45 | The origins of the office of bishop
04:51 | The theological dimension of the bishop's role
06:41 | The liturgical symbols of the office
10:45 | Bishop Barron's coat of arms
12:12 | How does one become a bishop?
16:10 | How are dioceses formed?
17:20 | Relating bishop to archbishop
18:51 | Understanding the bishop's authority
20:03 | What is a chancery?
21:03 | Essential tasks of the bishop
29:38 | Bishop Barron's approach to his official duties
33:01 | The meaning and authority of a conference of bishops
37:19 | Myths about Catholic bishops
40:06 | Listener question: What made you become a priest?
41:41 | Join the Word on Fire Institute

• United States Conference of Catholic Bishops: https://www.usccb.org/
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Newman believed that a liberal arts education would instill a philosophical habit of mind in students, helping students reason to the foundational principles of every discipline and see how everything fits together. The philosophical habit of mind distinguishes between significance and triviality, helping society and individuals order everything to the Good.

Topics Covered:

• Pattern recognition
• Sapientia
• Useless education is useful
• Advantages and disadvantages of the philosophical habit of mind

• Article: The Philosophical Habit of Mind: Aristotle and Newman on the End of Liberal Education
• Video: Alasdair MacIntyre on Newman's Idea of a University
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Religious freedom, especially for Christians, is under attack across the globe, including in the West–including right here in the United States. Whether insidiously in the form of diversity, equity, and inclusion programs that block Christians from employment and advancement opportunities, or, overtly, like vandalism against churches, or, in some parts of the world, murderous violence against Christians themselves, in terms of sheer numbers–and this fact is often ignored–Christians are, by far, the most persecuted religious group in the world. While defending religious freedom is important for people of all faiths, or no faith at all, it is thus especially urgent for believers in Christ. How, then, can we work together as a church and as a society to make progress on this front? Taking a step back, what, specifically, is religious freedom and why is it a universal human right? What is the relationship between the free exercise of religion and freedom of speech? And how can we respond to the secular charge that religious freedom is merely a backdoor means for the faithful to impose their beliefs on others?

A listener asks how we can grow in confidence that Catholicism is the one true religion.

Topics Covered:

00:00 | Introduction
01:36 | Concluding Winona-Rochester's diocesan synod
03:24 | The work of the Religious Liberty Commission
07:33 | Responding to Religious Liberty Commission criticism
09:11 | The inherent priority of religious liberty
12:32 | Distinguishing the freedoms of religion, conscience, and speech
14:26 | Is religious liberty necessary for worship?
16:33 | Understanding "due limits" to religious liberty
19:33 | Proposition or imposition?
20:24 | Civil authority and religious authority
22:40 | Truth and relativism
27:25 | How poor conceptions of religion undermine religious liberty
28:27 | Advocating for religious liberty
30:06 | Religious freedom in society
31:36 | Why religious liberty matters for evangelization
32:48 | Listener question: How can we know Catholicism is true?
36:01 | Join the Word on Fire Institute

• Dignitatis Humanae: Vatican document
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Theology is the queen of the sciences. It is not just one science among many but the principal organizing science. If it is taken out of this central organizing place, something else will take its place. In this lesson, Bishop Barron helps us understand why Newman thought theology was of crucial importance in education.

Topics Covered:

• Theology as the queen of the sciences
• Consequences of supplanting theology
• The Liberal Arts
• The Philosophical Habit

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