What do Bitcoin, cellular aging, and the fall of civilizations have in common? In this episode of the We Are Innovation Podcast, Ioni Appelberg — Bitcoin philosopher, author, and medical doctor — joins us for a wide-ranging conversation that starts with monetary history and ends up on the meanings behind human experiences. Ioni lays out the core idea behind his book, Abundance Through Scarcity: that broken money erodes our willingness to build, save, and plan for the future, and that this decline shows up everywhere, from shrinking food packaging to architecture built to last a decade rather than a century. We talk through his theory that we're living through a slow-motion civilizational collapse, one most people alive today won't even recognize as it happens. From there, the conversation moves into his medical background: the shift from disease management to longevity medicine, aging reframed as a treatable syndrome rather than an inevitability, and the strange logic of autoimmune disease, where the immune system, a kind of separate entity living inside us, occasionally mistakes self for foreign.But the back half of this episode is where things get really interesting. We get into Bitcoin as a spiritual journey and an "economic psychedelic," why Ioni believes the pursuit of achievement and validation is often just a way of filling a void, and what actually happens on the other side of getting everything you thought you wanted — the "cliff-high" moment, when success arrives, and completeness still doesn't. We talk about pain as something to build a life around rather than suppress, art and literature as humanity's shared record of survival, and why healing yourself is the most meaningful thing you can do not only for yourself, but also for those you interact throught your life journey.As Ioni puts it:"You have a mind, use it. Go towards whatever you're curious about and act on your highest excitement to the best of your abilities, and take it as far as you possibly can — without any attachment to outcome. That's all life is about."Our guestIoni Appelberg (pronounced Yo-Ni Apple-Burg) is a bitcoin philosopher, author, and content creator. His love for science fiction, history, futurism, and psychedelics takes his stories (and unsuspecting readers) on swashbuckling journeys to the frontiers of technology, space, and the human mind. He is also an avid reader, a medical doctor, a freedom fighter, a regular fighter, a psychonaut, and a terrible chess player.You can find more on his work at https://www.btcpolicy.org/Follow We Are Innovation: TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@weare_innovation X - https://twitter.com/innovationweare LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/company/weareinnovation/Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/innovationweare/ Web: https://weareinnovation.global Music: Summer - Bensoundhttps://www.bensound.comSupport by RFM - NCM: https://bit.ly/37ILNluAbout We Are Innovation: We Are Innovation is a dynamic network of individuals and institutions who fervently believe in the power of innovation to drive progress and solve the world’s most pressing problems. With a global presence encompassing over 50 think tanks, foundations, and NGOs, We Are Innovation represents the diverse voices of a global civil society committed to advancing human creativity, embracing new technologies, and promoting innovative solutions. Through our collaborative approach and cutting-edge expertise, we are spearheading transformative change on a global scale. To learn more about our work, visit us at https://weareinnovation.global/.
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