In this episode of the TPRM Podcast, Threats, Pitfalls & Risk Myths, Nate Lee sits down with Ayub Fandi, GRC Engineering Lead at GitLab and creator of the GRC Engineer podcast and newsletter.

As AI reshapes how security teams operate, many GRC programs are still built around audits, frameworks, and compliance driven workflows. Ayub explains why this model is quickly losing relevance and why simply automating existing processes often leads to solving the wrong problems faster.

The conversation explores how security teams need to rethink their operating models in an AI driven world. Nate and Ayub discuss the shift from compliance driven programs to risk driven decision making, and why teams must move beyond audit cycles and start rebuilding workflows from first principles.

They also examine how AI is changing the nature of work inside security, why compliance is becoming table stakes, and why risk management remains one of the most complex and human parts of security. This shift is forcing organizations to rethink how they approach workflows, decision making, and collaboration across teams.

Beyond tooling, the discussion dives into systems thinking, stakeholder alignment, and how GRC teams can become more embedded within engineering, security, and the broader business.

This episode is essential listening for CISOs, security leaders, engineers, and practitioners navigating AI driven change, modern security architecture, and the evolving role of security teams.

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Episode Sponsor
This episode features a message from TrustMind, a security questionnaire automation platform designed to help teams respond more quickly and consistently to vendor security reviews.

TrustMind uses AI to automatically complete security questionnaires using your existing documentation, policies, and prior responses so security teams can spend less time copying and pasting and more time securing their platforms.

Learn more at https://trustmind.com

About the Guest
Ayub Fandi is the GRC Engineering Lead at GitLab and creator of the GRC Engineer podcast and newsletter. He focuses on rethinking how governance, risk, and compliance evolve in an AI driven world.

His work centers on applying systems thinking, automation, and engineering principles to modernize GRC programs and better align them with modern security practices.

About the Host
Nate Lee is a B2B Scaleup CISO and Founder of Cloudsec.ai and TrustMind. He works with SaaS companies to build business aligned security programs that increase developer velocity, strengthen customer trust, and support rapid growth.

About the Show
The TPRM Podcast features real world conversations with security leaders who are reshaping how we think about cybersecurity and risk.

Each episode explores the threats, pitfalls, and risk myths behind modern security programs and what it actually takes to protect organizations operating at scale.

In this episode of the TPRM Podcast, Threats, Pitfalls & Risk Myths, Nate Lee sits down with Michael Coates, Founding Partner at Seven Hill Ventures and former CISO of Twitter, Mozilla, and CoinList.

As AI continues to accelerate both attack speed and capability, the gap between attackers and defenders is rapidly shrinking. Michael explains how automated attacks are compressing response times to the point where human driven security models are no longer viable, and why organizations must begin removing humans from critical decision loops.

The conversation explores how security teams need to rethink their operating models in an AI driven world. Nate and Michael discuss the future of the SOC, the rise of automation and agent driven workflows, and why many traditional security practices may soon become obsolete.

They also examine how AI is lowering the barrier to entry for attackers, enabling capabilities that were once limited to nation state actors. This shift is forcing organizations to move faster, experiment more, and rethink how they balance risk, speed, and innovation.

Beyond technology, the discussion dives into how roles inside security teams are evolving, what skills will matter most going forward, and why security leaders must shift from gatekeepers to enablers of business velocity.

This episode is essential listening for CISOs, security leaders, and practitioners navigating AI driven threats, modern security architecture, and the rapidly changing role of cybersecurity.

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Episode Sponsor

This episode features a message from TrustMind, a security questionnaire automation platform designed to help teams respond more quickly and consistently to vendor security reviews.

TrustMind uses AI to automatically complete security questionnaires using your existing documentation, policies, and prior responses so security teams can spend less time copying and pasting and more time securing their platforms.

Learn more at https://trustmind.com

About the Guest

Michael Coates is the Founding Partner at Seven Hill Ventures and former CISO of Twitter, Mozilla, and CoinList. He has spent his career building and scaling security programs at some of the most influential technology companies while also advising and investing in the next generation of cybersecurity startups.

Michael brings a unique perspective across operator, founder, and investor roles, with deep expertise in modern security architecture, risk, and the evolving impact of AI on cybersecurity.

About the Host

Nate Lee is a B2B Scaleup CISO and Founder of Cloudsec.ai and TrustMind. He works with SaaS companies to build business aligned security programs that increase developer velocity, strengthen customer trust, and support rapid growth.

About the Show

The TPRM Podcast features real world conversations with security leaders who are reshaping how we think about cybersecurity and risk.

Each episode explores the threats, pitfalls, and risk myths behind modern security programs and what it actually takes to protect organizations operating at scale.

In this episode of the TPRM Podcast, Threats, Pitfalls & Risk Myths, Nate Lee sits down with Conor Sherman, CISO in Residence at Sysdig and host of the Zero Signal Podcast.

As AI rapidly reshapes the cybersecurity landscape, both attackers and defenders are beginning to automate their operations in ways that were not possible just a few years ago. Conor explains how threat actors are already using AI driven techniques to accelerate attacks and why traditional security operating models are starting to struggle to keep up.

The conversation explores how defenders should rethink security strategy in a world where attacks can move from discovery to exploitation in minutes. Nate and Conor discuss autonomous defense, the limits of human driven response models, and why security teams must begin designing systems that can react at machine speed.

They also examine the role of the modern CISO, the importance of resilience over perfection, and how security leaders can help their organizations adopt AI safely while still moving fast enough to stay competitive.

This episode is essential listening for CISOs, security leaders, and practitioners navigating AI driven threats, modern cloud security, and the evolving role of security leadership.

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https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-tprm-podcast/id1848217699

YouTube
https://youtube.com/@TPRMPodcast

Episode Sponsor

This episode features a message from TrustMind, a security questionnaire automation platform designed to help teams respond more quickly and consistently to vendor security reviews.

TrustMind uses AI to automatically complete security questionnaires using your existing documentation, policies, and prior responses so security teams can spend less time copying and pasting and more time securing their platforms.

Learn more at
https://trustmind.com

About the Guest

Conor Sherman is the CISO in Residence at Sysdig and the host of the Zero Signal Podcast. In his role he works closely with security leaders and organizations navigating modern cloud threats and the rapidly evolving AI powered threat landscape.

Conor advises companies on building resilient security programs, adapting defenses to emerging attack techniques, and helping security teams operate effectively as both attackers and defenders begin using AI driven tools.

About the Host

Nate Lee is a B2B Scaleup CISO and Founder of Cloudsec.ai and TrustMind. He works with SaaS companies to build business aligned security programs that increase developer velocity, strengthen customer trust, and support rapid growth.

About the Show

The TPRM Podcast features real world conversations with security leaders who are reshaping how we think about cybersecurity and risk.

Each episode explores the threats, pitfalls, and risk myths behind modern security programs and what it actually takes to protect organizations operating at scale.