In this special rebroadcast, Jim Wallis sits down with Rev. Rob Schenck, longtime evangelical leader and president of the Dietrich Bonhoeffer Institute, to examine the complex relationship between white evangelicals, the Trump administration, and the rise of Christian nationalism. Schenck reflects on his personal journey, the moral crossroads facing the evangelical community, and how faith is being weaponized in politics today.

With contemporary policies—from threats to democracy and voting rights to the erosion of church-state separation—echoing the ethical concerns raised in this 2020 interview, Schenck’s warnings about Christian nationalism and the Faustian bargain for power are more urgent than ever. Listen as they explore a way forward rooted in repentance, true discipleship, and love for the “least of these.”

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In this episode of the Jim Wallis Podcast, Jim Wallis sits down with Dr. Reggie Williams, Bonhoeffer scholar and Associate Professor of Theology at St. Louis University, for a fearless exploration of Dietrich Bonhoeffer’s radical life during the rise of Nazism in Germany. Williams draws a bold, unflinching line from Bonhoeffer’s resistance against Hitler-era fascism to the present-day surge of Trumpism, MAGA extremism, and White Christian Nationalism plaguing American democracy. Together, they illuminate how Bonhoeffer’s immersion in the Black Social Gospel at Harlem’s Abyssinian Baptist Church transformed his vision of faith and justice—offering urgent lessons for those who refuse to cower before today’s resurgent tides of Christianized authoritarianism.

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Join Jim Wallis in a powerful conversation with Bishop Daniel Gutierrez of the Episcopal Diocese of Pennsylvania. Drawing from his journey from hardship to spiritual leadership, Gutierrez shares poignant insights on immigration, inclusion, and the transformative call of the Gospel to welcome the stranger. Explore how faith shapes our response to today’s political and social challenges—and how churches can embody radical compassion in this critical election year.

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