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Sara welcomes Scott McRae, a spiritual director, pastor, chaplain, and co-founder of Sojourners Institute in Minneapolis, for a conversation that will gently shift the way you see yourself and your inner life. With over 30 years of experience guiding people through life's most profound moments, Scott brings warmth, wisdom, and a refreshingly grounded perspective to the spiritual journey.

Together, Sara and Scott unpack his Sacred Map of Clarity, a framework that illuminates three inner journeys we all travel: the ego, the soul, and the spirit. Rather than dismissing the ego, Scott invites us to see it as a doorway, the place where the deeper journey often begins.

Whether you're new to inner work or have been on this path for years, this conversation will meet you exactly where you are.

You'll come away with:

• A richer understanding of what spiritual direction is and how it works
• A new way of seeing your ego — not as an obstacle, but as a teacher
• Language for the spiritual longings you may have felt but struggled to name
• Insight into the three distinct journeys of ego, soul, and spirit
• A deeper trust in the quiet, wise voice already living within you

Scott is one of 11 remarkable guides in Your Wise Year, Sara's year-long program for living with more wisdom, intention, and wholeness. Visit yourwiseselfwithsara.com/yourwiseyear to learn more.

This conversation was truly a gift to me. I hope you enjoy it as much as I did, and please leave a positive comment if you feel moved to do so.

Resources

Your Wise Year Program

Sojourners Institute or Scott McRae

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