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The Power of Small Schools with Dr. Rebecca Unterman

The Power of Small Schools with Dr. Rebecca Unterman

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In this episode of Innovations in Education, host David Adams, CEO of the Urban Assembly, sits down with Dr. Rebecca Unterman, a senior research associate at MDRC. Dr. Unterman has spent over 15 years studying the longitudinal effects of New York City's Small Schools of Choice (SSCs). Together, they explore the data-driven reality of what happens when public education shifts from large, impersonal institutions to small, mission-aligned learning environments. Dr. Unterman shares insights from her extensive research into the Children First school reform era, detailing how these non-selective schools managed to significantly increase graduation rates across nearly all student subgroups. The conversation moves beyond school size to investigate the specific internal structures like common planning time for teachers and real-world learning links that drive student success. They also address common misconceptions regarding school funding, student screening, and the long-term impact of high school interventions on post-secondary degree attainment. Key Takeaways > The success of small schools is not based on size alone. Dr. Unterman’s research identifies a mix of high-quality school leadership, data-driven instruction, and intentional relationship-building as the primary drivers of positive student outcomes. > Relationships and academic rigor are interdependent. Teachers in successful small schools utilize a warm demander approach, where knowing a student deeply provides the necessary leverage to push them toward higher academic standards. > Non-selective schools can produce elite results. Small schools of choice in NYC did not screen out difficult students. In fact, two-thirds of the students in the study entered below grade level, yet the schools achieved a 9.5 percentage point impact on four-year graduation rates. > Graduation success is cost-effective. While small schools may have a higher cost per pupil than large schools, they actually cost less per graduate because they are significantly more effective at moving students through to a diploma. > Targeted support is required for the highest-need students. While SSCs worked well for many, students entering high school far below proficient require even more intensive, targeted interventions both before and during high school to overcome barriers like the Math Regents exams. Follow Innovations in Education with David Adams wherever you get your podcasts. Episode Timestamps 00:00 - Introduction to Innovations in Education and Dr. Rebecca Unterman 01:45 - Dr. Unterman’s journey from history teacher to education policy researcher 03:32 - Defining Small Schools of Choice (SSCs) and their core principles 05:35 - The problem SSCs were designed to solve: low graduation rates in large schools 07:28 - Identifying the three pillars of school impact: leadership, instruction, and relationships 09:40 - Longitudinal effects: A 9.5% increase in high school graduation rates 11:55 - How New York City sustained the small school movement through human capital 19:10 - Deep dive into student subgroups: Level 1, 2, and 3 proficiencies 22:50 - Identifying barriers to graduation: The Math Regents and credit accumulation 25:55 - Post-secondary outcomes and the challenge of persistence 28:15 - Understanding the research: How lotteries allow researchers to isolate school effects 31:18 - Lightning Round: Confirming or denying myths about small schools 36:58 - Final takeaways for improving public education in 2026 and beyond
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