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The Power of Curiosity: Why the Best Lawyers Ask More & Answer Less ft. Rebecca Hockin

The Power of Curiosity: Why the Best Lawyers Ask More & Answer Less ft. Rebecca Hockin

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Episode IntroductionMost lawyers are trained to have the answer. To advise, fix, and move on. Rebecca Hockin spent years doing exactly that. She was good at it. But something kept drawing her in a different direction. In this episode, Jonathan Cullen talks with Rebecca about what happened when she started pulling on that thread, how she built a practice that's part lawyer, part coach, entirely on her own, and why curiosity might be the most underrated skill in the legal profession. If you've ever wondered whether there's a version of your career that's both successful and sustainable, this one's for you.Guest BioRebecca is a commercial lawyer who is also trained as an executive coach. She's based in Vancouver, British Columbia. Rebecca has worked both in private practice at a national firm and in-house on global legal teams. She currently practices law as a fractional in-house counsel, where she brings her legal, leadership, and coaching experience to legal and business teams. She also coaches and mentors other lawyers to help them create rewarding and sustainable law practices.Timestamps[00:00] - Opening[01:01] - Podcast intro and guest introduction[03:00] - Why Rebecca always wanted to be a lawyer[05:00] - Psychology: how it shaped everything[07:00] - Finding work that felt like being part of something[10:00] - How a broad practice prepared her for in-house work[11:00] - The moment that broke her out: burnout, a friend's loss, and three days of vacation[13:00] - What surprised her most about going in-house: the point of the legal work[14:00] - Working directly with the business and what it unlocked[15:00] - The feedback shift: from "firm lawyer" to "commercial and practical"[17:00] - How she actually learned to be commercial: site visits, questions, and proximity[20:00] - The Center for Creative Leadership, and a new pull[21:00] - "I don't know what this is, but I want to do it": finding coaching[24:00] - The decision to leave in-house and give coaching a real shot[25:00] - Discovering she still loved practicing law, just differently[26:00] - How the fractional model came together[27:00] - Five coaching skills that made her a better lawyer[30:00] - Why more lawyers should learn coaching[33:00] - The identity shift from advisor to coach: "I don't have to be a lawyer here"[36:00] - What creativity actually means for lawyers[39:00] - Greenhousing: letting things grow before you cut them[41:00] - Safe but not always comfortable: how coaching creates growth[43:00] - The relationship with time and what lawyers get wrong[45:00] - Protect your life outside of work[46:00] - Sleep, routines, & why constraints make you more effective[50:00] - Rapid fire[53:00] - CloseKey TakeawaysStaying broad isn't a weakness. Rebecca resisted over-specializing in private practice, and it's what made her so effective in-house. Adaptability, pattern recognition, and knowing how to figure things out: those compound over time.The signals don't always announce themselves. Rebecca's move toward coaching wasn't a plan, it was a pull. Psychology in undergrad. A leadership course that made her think, "How can I do this?" It all connected later.Burnout rarely announces itself. But back at the office after the kids went to bed, running on empty, a close friend hit with loss, three days of vacation that cracked it open. That's what it looked like. And it led to the best decision she ever made.Coaching and advising pull in opposite directions. Lawyers are trained to have the answer. Coaching asks you to hold back. Rebecca describes it as taking off one hat and putting on another. The relief she felt, discovering she didn't have to advise, tells you everything about how heavy that hat was.Constraints make you more efficient. Having to leave at a certain time to pick up her kids forced Rebecca to use her time better. The boundary wasn't the problem, it was the solution.Links and MaterialFind Rebecca at recreativecoaching.ca and on LinkedInTomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow by Gabrielle ZevinFour Thousand Weeks by Oliver BurkemanIf this episode stuck with you, take the Free Lawyer to Leader Assessment at jonathancullencoaching.comShareable MomentsLines worth pulling for social:"I stayed very broad and did a lot of different things. That's not usually the recommendation, but it worked out really well for me.""What hit me really early on was the point of the legal work. Oh, we're doing this because we have to sell this. This is how we make money.""I had to create it for myself first. I built a coaching practice to help other lawyers, but really I just needed that for myself.""I remember having this realization: I don't have to be a lawyer here.""Safe but not always comfortable. That's what leads to growth.""Foundational things like sleep, hydration, exercise. I have a lot of energy. I have to get it out so I'm not getting it out every time I talk to a client."
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