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This is the last episode of the Save Public Lands series — and we are four days from National Public Lands Day.

Tania Lown Hecht — VP of Communications and Strategy for Outdoor Alliance — joins me to close out the campaign. As we recorded this, 60 people from the Outdoor Alliance coalition were on Capitol Hill meeting with lawmakers on behalf of the outdoor community.

In this episode: — What Outdoor Alliance is: a coalition of 10 national outdoor recreation groups representing climbers, paddlers, surfers, backcountry skiers, mountain bikers, and trail runners — What 60 advocates told lawmakers this week — including the Roadless Rule comment stats (98-99% of public comments in support of keeping it) — Why Save Public Lands was born out of last summer's sell-off fight — and what happened when offices said they'd "never gotten this many messages about any issue ever" — Why the human-powered outdoor community has more in common with hunters and motorized users than with the timber or mining industry — How connection to place is the foundation of the conservation movement — Tania's personal story: cancer as a teenager, a first question about the mountains, and why she's dedicated her life to public lands

The petition closes September 26th — National Public Lands Day. savepubliclands.us. Four fields. Thirty seconds.

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You don't have to be a big company to show up for public lands.

Joy Seward — co-founder of RecPak and NOLS expedition guide — joins me for episode four of the Save Public Lands series to talk about how small businesses can get involved in advocacy, why The Conservation Alliance makes it easy, and what it looks like when a brand builds its mission into the business from day one.

RecPak was literally born on public land. Joy and her co-founder met on a NOLS course — operating on public land — and launched their company together afterward. Before their first sale, they already knew they wanted to give back.

In this episode: — What RecPak is: an ultra-lightweight 700-calorie, 42g protein meal for endurance athletes and backpackers — How RecPak was born out of a NOLS course on public land — Why Joy joined The Conservation Alliance before RecPak's first sale — The myth that advocacy is only for big companies — and why Conservation Alliance makes it low barrier for any size brand — What small businesses can actually do: social posts, tabling, directing customers to comment periods — Over a year of Joy's life spent cumulatively in wilderness areas as an expedition guide — What public lands mean to Joy personally — How to sign the Save Public Lands petition in under 30 seconds

Campaign runs through National Public Lands Day, September 26th.

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It can feel like every week there's a new emergency, a new deadline, a new thing to fight. That's not an accident.

Rebecca Gillis — VP of Government Affairs and Advocacy at The Conservation Alliance — joins me to decode what's actually happening to our public lands and why it feels so chaotic.

In this episode: — Executive orders: how they drive everything that happens at the agency level — Deregulation vs. what we're actually seeing — and why it goes one step further — The Congressional Review Act: an old tool being used in ways we've never seen, including Boundary Waters and Grand Staircase-Escalante — Budget reconciliation: the simple majority vehicle that's scarier than it sounds — Flood the zone: why the chaos is a strategy, and what that means for advocates — Why shortened comment periods, circumvented processes, and staffing cuts are all connected — Big Bend, Chaco Canyon, Bears Ears, Grand Staircase, Alaska, and Yosemite — quick updates on everything in play — The power of the outdoor industry: economic, reputational, and people power — 77 open comment periods — and how to navigate them without burning out — The doctor's prescription: keep going outside

Take action: ONX and Protect Our Parks both track open comment periods. The Conservation Alliance has form letters ready. Five Calls makes calling your representatives easy. And save the date — National Public Lands Day is September 26th.

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