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Think you know where Freemasonry began? We sit down with Grand Sheik Jelani Bey, a 32° York Rite Mason and longtime Moorish organizer, to map the trail most timelines skip: the living overlaps between lodge ritual and Moorish science, the Islamic fingerprints inside shrinedom, and the ancient mystery systems that predate England’s guild claims. This isn’t guesswork from the outside. Jelani speaks as someone who’s walked the Blue House, Royal Arch, Knights Templar, and Shrine, then turned that compass toward community service and institutional integrity.

We dig into the quiet details that change the frame: why fezzes signal different jurisdictions, how compartmentalization protects degrees from confusion, and how lax standards turned sacred symbols into casual merch. Along the way, Jelani shares field work on charters and copyrights, the controversy surrounding “222-141,” and lessons from the Great Seal era that clarify who holds what authority—and why provenance matters. The most provocative thread questions accepted narratives around Prince Hall, Benjamin Banneker, and the attribution of craft: if the teachers wrote the blueprint, why are the students writing the history?

This conversation doubles as a call to raise the bar. If you wear the signs, earn them. If you claim the science, study it. We explore why so many people still don’t recognize Moors in public life and how better gatekeeping, stronger literacy, and visible service can repair the gap between symbol and substance. Whether you’re deep in the lodge, curious about Moorish history, or just skeptical of the official story, you’ll leave with a sharper lens and a longer timeline.

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