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The Meg and Amy Show

The Meg and Amy Show

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Join best friends Meg Bear and Amy Wilson on The Meg and Amy Show – a podcast for big-picture thinkers who are ready to challenge the status quo. As former tech executives and seasoned business leaders, Meg and Amy have spent decades leading through change. Now, they’re joining forces to break down the trends they’ve lived and helped shape.All rights reserved by WRKdefined 出世 就職活動 経済学
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  • Episode 47| The AI Rush of 2025 Set the Skills Agenda Back. Here's What Comes Next | David Blake

    Episode 47| The AI Rush of 2025 Set the Skills Agenda Back. Here's What Comes Next | David Blake
    2026/06/19
    🚀 The AI rush of 2025 didn't move the skills agenda forward — it stalled it. That's the contrarian read from the founder of Degreed, the company built to make skills the currency of the workforce. David Blake walks us through why he thinks 2026 is the most important year of your career, what leader-led learning looks like when agents can actually run it for managers who were never trained to teach, and why he survives the SaaSpocalypse by remembering Degreed has always been an education company — not a software company. Plus the disarming answer to how he's run this thing for 14 years: naps. David is the co-founder and CEO of Degreed, the learning and skills platform he started in 2012 with a mission to "jailbreak the degree" — recognize the skill, not the credential. He's the co-author of The Expertise Economy and the co-creator of the Skills Quotient framework. He recently opened the Top of the Hill All Girls Secondary School in Kenya with Mary Murimi. ⏰ TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 Cold open — "Showing your soft underbelly" 00:31 Welcome and intro 01:39 The Kenya school — Mary Murimi and Top of the Hill GSS 06:01 The 12th Amendment, the VP election, and VICE.RUN 07:18 "Learners will inherit the earth" — Eric Hoffer and the original bet 10:11 The contrarian read — AI set the skills agenda back in 2025 13:13 Amy: AI has skills too — the human + AI hybrid 13:42 Meg: AI fluency to do what? + the simple-simple-simple skills trap 20:14 Sending agents through your corporate training — the corpus as guardrails 21:42 The most important corporate training is "who are we as a company?" 25:40 Edge cases: Singapore, Waymo, and the Disney complexity frontier 27:54 Three quick thoughts — full employment, "2026 is the most important year of your career," dynamic teams 32:29 The Degreed team call — showing your soft underbelly to your whole company 34:54 Parenting kids in the AI tidal wave — set a goal, work backwards 37:26 Meg: "Our experiences are not helpful for our children" 44:17 Maestro, Degree.ai, and the competing narratives on AI wrappers 48:00 Leader-led learning — agents for managers who were never trained to teach 50:30 The Murdoch sale, Vox Media, and where the economic rents actually go 52:00 Why Degreed is an education company, not a software company 56:15 The disarming answer to running this for 14 years: naps 58:01 Wrap 🔑 KEY INSIGHTS: - AI didn't move skills forward in 2025. It sucked the oxygen out of the room — IT had to roll out AI, attention moved on, and the skills agenda paused across most enterprises. - The most important "corporate training" content most companies are missing is their own mission. L&D's next role is custodian of organizational context — the corpus your agents actually need. - Leader-led learning is the agentic system's biggest unlock. Line managers (who were never trained to teach) can now run training-on-demand for their teams. - Economic rents in SaaS migrate back to the LLMs. The wrappers are exposed. Survival means knowing what kind of company you actually are. - For kids navigating this: maintain a love of learning AND the meta-skill of knowing how to learn. Your maps don't apply to their territory. 📚 RESOURCES: Degreed: https://degreed.com David Blake's LinkedIn post on Learning Rewired: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidblake/ The Expertise Economy (book): https://www.amazon.com/Expertise-Economy-Smartest-Companies-Succeed/dp/1473677009 Top of the Hill All Girls Secondary School: https://topofthehillgss.org/ Mary Murimi (Top of the Hill founder): https://www.linkedin.com/in/mary-murimi-9402b82a/ Patti Constantakis (Walmart.org, on the skills cold-start): https://www.linkedin.com/in/patti-constantakis/ VICE.RUN — bipartisan VP election reform: https://vice.run/ Eric Hoffer — "Learners inherit the earth": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Hoffer Sangeet Paul Choudary's Reshuffle (referenced by David — see our Ep 18 conversation with Sangeet): https://www.youtube.com/@TheMegandAmyShow NYT on the Vox Media / James Murdoch sale: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/20/business/media/vox-media-james-murdoch-sale.html 🔗 CONNECT: David Blake: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidblake/ Submit Leadership Questions: megandamyshow@gmail.com Instagram: @megandamyshow LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-meg-amy-show YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheMegandAmyShow #SkillsAgenda #AIStrategy #LeaderLedLearning #SaaSpocalypse #Degreed #EdTech #FutureOfWork #LeadershipInTheAIEra #MegAndAmyShow
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  • Episode 46 | Are You Making Me Money or Saving Me Money? | Maria Colacurcio

    Episode 46 | Are You Making Me Money or Saving Me Money? | Maria Colacurcio
    2026/06/12
    🚀 Maria Colacurcio asked her own AI agent to pull a code repository. Three times. It refused — and directed her to men on her team. That moment is the throughline of an episode about what's actually breaking in compensation, what AI buyers will spend on now, and the org-design conversation every founder is dodging. Maria is the CEO of Syndio — the company that defined the market for pay-equity software and is now pioneering Decision Intelligence for Pay. Customers include Walmart, Microsoft, and Salesforce. ⏰ TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 Cold open 00:41 Welcome 01:38 The Starbucks origin story — Rob Porcarelli and the 150-page crosstab report 04:32 The Pay Fairy: governing the pay decision at the moment of decision 10:55 "Be a little reckless" + you cannot cram AI learning in 15-minute gaps 14:42 The ClickUp read — wide bands, $1M packages, and systemic underleveling 21:20 The leapfrog: skills-based pay → outcome-based pay → outcome-based pricing 22:51 Anthropic's pricing change and Maria's 4-bucket hard-ROI framework 27:38 Glass box, not black box — the pay-decision audit trail 30:28 Market data is one input — not the anchor 33:33 Cindy the agent + "fluid, not full-time" domain expertise 40:21 The $40M → $100M reset: "Am I still the right person for this job?" 47:19 The LinkedIn moment — what Maria's own AI agent told her, three times 51:34 Leadership Corner — laid off, networking, and the market that moved past you 59:05 Wrap 🔑 KEY INSIGHTS: - AI vendors face a new bar: "Are you making me money, or saving me money?" The era of AI-for-AI's-sake is ending. - Pay decisions belong in a glass box, not a black box — every input, model version, override, and human-in-the-loop adjustment logged. - Wide pay bands don't break pay equity by themselves. They raise the stakes — every $1M package needs a defensible "why." - "You cannot cram AI learning in 15 minutes between meetings." Leaders modeling AI fluency need real headspace, on weekends and evenings. - The org reset from $40M to $100M needs specialists, not all-around athletes. And the founder question every sitting CEO is dodging is "am I still the right person for this job?" - Domain expertise has to be fluid, not full-time — hire your AI vendor SMEs forward, not in-house. 📚 RESOURCES: Syndio: https://synd.ioZev Eigen (Syndio co-founder): https://synd.io/authors/zev-eigen/ Steve Magness (Man in the Arena): https://www.stevemagness.com/ Trung Phan (referenced in the LinkedIn story): https://www.readtrung.com/ 🔗 CONNECT: Maria Colacurcio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mariacolacurcio/ Instagram: @megandamyshow LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/megandamyshow #PayEquity #PayGovernance #AIBias #AIROI #ResponsibleAI #LeadershipInTheAIEra #FoundersJourney #MegAndAmyShow
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  • Episode 45 | Your Experience Just Became a Tax. Here's What Still Pays

    Episode 45 | Your Experience Just Became a Tax. Here's What Still Pays
    2026/06/05
    🚀 Amy and Meg dig into Jaya Gupta's "experience is now a tax" frame — and what actually survives when AI makes credentials look like overhead. Learn why the most golden job for the next decade is the translator role, how to stop optimizing AI for speed and start using it as an anxiety reducer, and why "manager wars" is the wrong fight to be picking right now, in this conversation on business transformation and leadership in the AI era. ⏰ TIMESTAMPS: 00:28 Welcome & Mother's Day at the Valkyries 02:21 A listener note + show goals 04:04 The three arcs: what survives, how do we survive, what's next? 05:27 Arc 1 — Experience is now a tax (Jaya Gupta) 12:17 The calendar unlock: AI as anxiety reducer (not productivity) 17:02 The most golden job: judgment, taste, and the translator role 21:30 If your org won't give you a pathway (and Couch-to-5K for AI) 23:48 Arc 2 — Curiosity survives credentials (Ethan Mollick on AI slop) 29:42 Authenticity is the new black — 17 years later 33:43 From trends to convergences 34:52 Arc 3 — The Next Great Moat: the shape of your company is the moat 38:25 Manager wars, two-prong leadership, and heart-centered ops 41:25 Strategy in the AI fog: optionality, zero budget, clean sheet 51:10 Leadership Corner: positioning for an opening (without circling) 58:04 Outro 🔑 KEY INSIGHTS: - Experience is only a tax if you treat the old playbook as the asset. The real moat is your perspective on patterns plus your willingness to be a translator between how work used to get done and how it gets done now. - The bigger AI use case for senior leaders isn't productivity — it's anxiety reduction. Meg's calendar unlock: "should I do this thing?" before "how do I fit this in?" - The Claude-language tic is making good thinkers harder to read. If you're writing with AI, own your voice and accept the typos — polished-and-fake costs you trust. (Meg: "I've given up. I'm back to my grammar mistakes and typos.") - "Manager wars" — the loud "we don't need middle managers" narrative ignores what managers actually do: help people feel seen, not just feel chosen. Meg's two-prong move (know them + sales-pitch the growth) is the playbook. - Strategy under AI fog: assume a zero budget, take the smallest commitment that buys you information, and build on a clean sheet of paper instead of an existing model that's already serving you. 📚 RESOURCES: Jaya Gupta — "Experience Is Now a Tax": https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/experience-now-tax-jaya-gupta-kxb7c/ Jaya Gupta — "The Next Great Moat": https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/next-great-moat-jaya-gupta-6onwc/ Hillary Gridley — "Your Couch to 5K for AI" (Lenny's Newsletter): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/your-couch-to-5k-for-ai Ethan Mollick — One Useful Thing (the Claude-language piece): https://www.oneusefulthing.org/p/claude-code-and-what-comes-next Marketoonist — "AI Written, AI Read": https://marketoonist.com/2023/03/ai-written-ai-read.html Meg Bear — "Authenticity is the new black" (2008): https://www.megbear.com/post/authenticity-is-the-new-nbsp-black Meg Bear — "The future is interdisciplinary": https://www.megbear.com/post/the-future-is-interdisciplinary Patty Azzarella: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pattyazzarello/ Adam Grant — Think Again (book) Toby Stewart — "The Future Is Shrouded in AI Fog" (Harvard Business Review): [add link] Dara Curran (Intercom) — on tripling dev productivity by assuming a zero budget: [add link] 🔗 CONNECT: Submit Leadership Questions: megandamyshow@gmail.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/megandamyshow/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-meg-amy-show #FutureOfWork #AITransformation #Leadership #ManagerWars #AILeadership #CareerGrowth #MegAndAmyShow
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