Discernment alone isn’t enough. The sword must find its counter-movement in worship.
In this conversation, Patrick and Jonah explore Revelation 12’s great battle—Michael’s sword casting down the dragon, and the Lamb whose gentleness completes the victory. They linger on how clarity without reverence can harden into pride, and how only devotion to the Lamb protects the soul from the very forces it tries to understand.

Through Vladimir Soloviev’s Tale of the Antichrist and C.S. Lewis’s That Hideous Strength, they trace the subtle temptation to know evil but never kneel before the Good. True discernment, they suggest, leads to communion: the sword prepares the way, but worship restores life.

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Thanks to Elliott Chamberlin who composed our theme music, “Seeking Together,” and the legacy of our original show-notes and patreon producer, Camilla Lake.

As billionaire Peter Thiel takes his Antichrist lecture tour around the world, Patrick and Jonah return to Scripture to ask what John actually meant by “Antichrist.” Drawing from Revelation, the letters of John, and Vladimir Soloviev’s haunting story The Antichrist, they explore how this archetype appears whenever the self refuses to bow, refuses to be wounded, refuses to love through sacrifice.

Against the world’s fascination with power and control stands the Lamb—wounded yet overflowing with life.

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The Light in Every Thing is a podcast of The Seminary of The Christian Community in North America. Learn more about the Seminary and its offerings at our website. This podcast is supported by our growing Patreon community. To learn more, go to www.patreon.com/ccseminary.

Thanks to Elliott Chamberlin who composed our theme music, “Seeking Together,” and the legacy of our original show-notes and patreon producer, Camilla Lake.

Patrick and Jonah turn to Revelation 13 and the image of the beast from the sea—a being wounded unto death, yet healed. What kind of resurrection is that? Together they explore how domination, power, and self-preservation tempt the human self to “heal” without changing. In contrast, the Lamb bears a mortal wound that pours itself out for the life of the world.

This episode asks: what does real transformation look like? How can a wound become the doorway to grace? And what does it mean to find protection, not in avoiding suffering, but in offering ourselves through it?

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The Light in Every Thing is a podcast of The Seminary of The Christian Community in North America. Learn more about the Seminary and its offerings at our website. This podcast is supported by our growing Patreon community. To learn more, go to www.patreon.com/ccseminary.

Thanks to Elliott Chamberlin who composed our theme music, “Seeking Together,” and the legacy of our original show-notes and patreon producer, Camilla Lake.