In part two of this conversation with Pastor Greg Laurie, Pastor Chuck Swindoll opens up about what he'd do differently across six decades of ministry—chief among them, saying yes sooner, affirming more, criticizing less, and bringing his wife Cynthia into full partnership years before he actually did.

He names the four temptations every pastor faces and explains why the last one never stops requiring vigilance. Pastor Greg asks what text Chuck would preach if he had one sermon left, and the answer will surprise you. Along the way: memorized hymns, mentors from Dallas Seminary, the rise of antisemitism, and a tender word about caring for Cynthia through dementia. This conversation closes with Chuck's prayer over Pastor Greg's family and ministry.

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Timestamps
00:33 Intro: one last sermon
01:03 Preaching after losing his son
02:38 Fearing for his other children
04:03 Preaching to himself through grief
05:35 Any regrets looking back?
07:06 Chuck: say yes sooner, affirm more
10:00 Nearly ruining his marriage with Cynthia
14:50 Loneliness in ministry
15:27 Four temptations: sloth, silver, self, sex
22:30 The final sermon: grace
24:35 Lightning round: food, movies, Lincoln
29:38 The rise of antisemitism
30:11 Hymns he sings while driving
32:36 Sitting under giants at Dallas Seminary
38:28 Cynthia's dementia and advice on marriage

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For generations, Pastor Chuck Swindoll has helped millions of people understand Scripture with wisdom, warmth, and clarity. In this special conversation, Pastor Greg Laurie sits down with one of his lifelong heroes—not simply to conduct an interview, but to learn from a pastor whose ministry, leadership, and integrity has shaped the church for decades.

Together they reflect on the experiences that form faithful servants of God. Pastor Greg shares his unlikely journey from a broken childhood to a lifetime of ministry, while Pastor Chuck offers a profound perspective on preaching, humility, suffering, leadership, and what it means to finish well.

More than an interview, this is a candid conversation between two preachers—one drawing out the hard-earned wisdom of another whose life has been marked by grace, endurance, and unwavering faithfulness.

In this interview you'll hear:

• How God prepared two very different men for ministry
• Chuck Swindoll's timeless wisdom on preaching and shepherding God's people
• Greg's testimony of coming to Christ during the Jesus Movement
• Lessons learned from Billy Graham and Chuck Smith
• Why suffering often produces deeper compassion in those God uses most
• A moving discussion about grief, faith, and finding hope in life's hardest moments

Don't miss Part 2 of this conversation next week!

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What if the biggest obstacle to evangelism isn't skill—it's fear of failure?

In this conversation, two pastors with decades of experience in evangelism discuss the questions pastors and everyday Christians ask most often about communicating the gospel.

Greg Laurie is joined by Pastor Bob Franquiz of Calvary Fellowship in Miramar, Florida, for a practical conversation on preaching, personal evangelism, and helping people take a genuine step toward Christ.

They cover:
• How Chuck Smith identified the gift of evangelism in Greg before he saw it himself
• The difference between evangelizing and being an evangelist
• Why Greg says "study to be simple"—advice he got from Billy Graham
• How to build an evangelistic culture in your church
• The mechanics of a clear gospel invitation (and why most fall apart at the landing)
• The role of music, storytelling, and cultural awareness in reaching people
• Why success in evangelism is faithfulness, not numbers

Whether you're a pastor looking to sharpen your calling or a believer wanting to share Christ more naturally, this conversation is honest, practical, and full of hard-won wisdom from five decades of ministry.

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CHAPTERS
00:00 Cold open: proclaim, leave results to God
01:19 Discovering the gift of evangelism
04:09 Accidental pastor, disciplined teacher
06:39 Adapting the gospel to shifting culture
09:24 Studying to be simple
13:08 Building an evangelistic culture in your church
20:21 Empowering others when you're not the evangelist
24:52 Preaching a text vs. preaching for a decision
29:29 The shift from teaching to preaching
33:58 Clarity is everything in the invitation
44:35 The role of music in the invitation
54:21 Getting out of the Christian bubble
01:01:15 Fanning your gift into full flame

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