On this episode of the On The Rise Podcast’s Faith Driven Leaders series, host Nick Stromwall sits down with Angela Wang, a finance professional with 20 years of experience who now calls herself a “finance missionary.” Angela shares how her family’s faith took root in China, why she resisted God’s call to leave a stable career for two years, and how a series of personal “exoduses” shaped her. She explains how pension consulting and private wealth management led her to bring wealth-level guidance to everyday families, pairing an AI financial steward with human advisors. A grounded conversation on surrender, stewardship, and what money is really for.

Content note: Angela briefly describes grief and a dark period after her mother’s death.

KEY TAKEAWAYS

1. Comfort can hide what’s missing.
Angela had a loving family, a dream job, and a role at church, yet felt a deep unhappiness. Outward success doesn’t mean you’re on the path you’re called to.

2. Fear of financial dependence is a real barrier.
She turned away from God’s call for two years because she didn’t want to give up a stable income. Naming the specific fear is the first step past it.

3. Growth comes through many small exoduses.
Using Exodus-to-Canaan as a framework, Angela describes letting go of education, family, place, prestige, money, and people-pleasing as sources of identity. Each smaller release prepared her for the bigger call.

4. Let go of good things, not just bad ones.
God asks us to release dependence on anything that isn’t Him, including healthy things like a career or a degree. Your value isn’t defined by income, schools, or others’ opinions.

5. Every season prepares you for the next.
Pension consulting taught her that technology can scale personalized advice. Private wealth management showed her how complex every household’s finances are. Both became the foundation for her business.

6. Attention is the scarcest financial resource.
The industry naturally concentrates advisors, tools, and attention on the wealthy. Everyday families still need a trusted go-to for basic questions and spotting fraud, even without large assets.

7. Use AI to scale care, not replace it.
One advisor can typically serve 100 to 200 households. Angela pairs a client app and an AI-powered workspace with human advisors so more families get responsive, personal support.

8. Resources have a shelf life.
Money, time, and health are entrusted to us temporarily and lose their value if hoarded or poorly managed. Steward them generously, and make daily time in Scripture the foundation.

00:00 Welcome & How We Met

02:00 What It Means to Be a "Finance Missionary"

03:50 Resisting the Call to Leave Security

06:21 Surrender and Leaving Her Job

08:38 Exodus to Canaan: Life's Many Egypts

17:20 How Her Career Prepared Her

23:16 Bringing Wealth-Level Attention to Everyday Families

27:10 Technology and Annie, the AI Financial Steward

32:12 Why Everyone Deserves a Financial Steward

37:19 Spend for Souls & Starting Each Day in the Word

Why would a multifamily operator keep buying apartments while so many peers are handing properties back to lenders? In this sit-down, Rise48 Equity Capital Formation Manager Jason Kish asks CEO Zach Haptonstall how the firm has kept operating through what Zach calls "multifamily purgatory," and why Rise48 keeps acquiring in the Sunbelt.

Zach starts with the factor he believes matters most: the team. Many sponsors bought at the end of 2021 and in early 2022, right before interest rates spiked, and since then it has often made more economic sense for them to give deals back. Zach explains why Rise48 chose to keep fighting to protect investor capital instead. He also explains why the firm sees itself as having a 50-year runway rather than being in the business of quick flips.

From there, the conversation turns to acquisitions. Zach points to the familiar investing idea that the best opportunities show up when others are fearful. He explains how Rise48 is finding deals priced below some sellers' loan amounts, with a strong basis and attractive cap rates. Rather than trying to predict interest rates, the team focuses on what it can measure: the new construction pipeline. Zach walks through why supply data points to potential tailwinds for multifamily from 2027 through 2031. He also acknowledges that good deals are still hard to find in today's capital markets.

Jason and Zach also dig into Sunbelt migration. Is the movement of people out of California, New York, Illinois, and Washington a real driver for markets like Arizona, Texas, and the Carolinas, or just a headline? Zach breaks down how net in-migration, corporate relocations, and business-friendly policy connect to job growth, population growth, and apartment demand. They touch on major projects like TSMC in Arizona and the rise of Dallas-Fort Worth as a corporate hub. Zach also explains why Rise48 stays politically agnostic while watching how legislation shapes where people and jobs go.

Whether you are an accredited investor researching multifamily syndications, a passive investor evaluating sponsors, or someone following the real estate market, this conversation offers a direct look at how one Sunbelt operator is approaching the current cycle.

In this video:

How Rise48 has kept operating through the multifamily downturn
Why some sponsors are giving properties back to lenders
Why Rise48 keeps acquiring apartments in this market
What the construction pipeline suggests for 2027 through 2031
Whether Sunbelt migration really affects multifamily performance
How corporate relocations and policy drive job and population growth

Interested in investing in multifamily with Rise48 Equity? Visit rise48equity.com or email Jason directly at jason@rise48equity.com.

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This video is for informational purposes only and is not investment advice.

0:00 Introduction
0:10 Operating Through the Downturn
1:14 Why Operators Give Properties Back
2:01 Why Rise48 Keeps Buying
2:44 The Supply Pipeline and 2027 Tailwinds
3:06 Is Sunbelt Migration Real?
4:31 Corporations Leaving Delaware
4:58 Mega Projects in Arizona and Texas
5:15 How Policy Moves Jobs and People
6:10 How to Invest with Rise48

On this episode of the On The Rise Podcast, host Jeremy Dyer talks with Scott Jones, who has spent over 30 years in franchising as a multi-unit franchisee, a franchisor executive, and CEO of a supplier serving 80,000+ locations. For the last 21 years he's advised mid-career professionals and business owners on whether franchise ownership fits their portfolio. Scott explains why he treats franchising as an alternative asset class rather than "buying a job," what separates a good semi-passive candidate from a poor one, where AI genuinely helps franchisees — and where ChatGPT gets franchise economics flatly wrong.

KEY TAKEAWAYS

Franchising isn't "slinging sandwiches." Senior executives often equate franchising with buying themselves a job. Scott points to heavy institutional activity at the unit level — private equity acquiring franchises and rolling them up — as proof of real opportunity, and notes not every brand requires $3 million.

Treat it as an alternative asset class. Scott allocates across real estate and business ownership the same way, asking where he can get a superior return on investment and time. The discipline you'd apply to any investment shouldn't disappear because you like the product.

Semi-passive has a real definition. Scott's benchmark is 5 to 15 hours a week — a term he says is thrown around loosely. The business is built around a team and an infrastructure you hire, not around you running the counter.

Availability matters more than hours. The bigger question isn't how much time you have but when. If you can't take a five-minute call from your manager during the day, you need an operating partner with equity, a capable GM, or a spouse who can.

Rigid schedules aren't automatically disqualifying. Scott has worked with pilots, who have intense on-periods followed by real flexibility, and a functional medicine physician running a robust practice. The structure can be designed around the constraint.

AI is a genuine tailwind for operators. Scott sees AI absorbing the busy work that franchisees never had hours for — turning training manuals and the institutional knowledge in leaders' heads into something a brand-new franchisee can access on demand.

But AI gets franchise economics wrong. Scott asked ChatGPT what an average franchisee earns at a large brand, hit return five times, and got five wildly different answers — none correct. The reason: the FTC mandates a disclosure document, but Item 19 earnings representations are the one unformatted section, and many brands include nothing at all.

The real diligence is talking to franchisees. Scott takes whatever is in the disclosure document, speaks with a handful of existing owners — most will share their numbers if approached right — and only then builds projections he trusts. Franchising is also where he gets control: he can't control interest rates or markets, but he can control his business, and eventually own the real estate under it.

LINKS

franchiseguidegroup.com
LinkedIn: Scott Jones Franchise

00:00 Introduction

01:04 30 Years Across Every Side of Franchising

03:49 The Biggest Misconceptions

05:27 Franchising as an Asset Class

09:34 Who Should (and Shouldn't) Take the Leap

12:36 Designing Around a Rigid Schedule

16:24 Where AI Helps Franchisees

19:15 Why ChatGPT Gets Franchise Numbers Wrong

23:56 Franchising as a Hedge Against Layoffs

29:42 Where to Start With $250K

On this episode of the On The Rise Podcast's Faith Driven Leaders series, host Nick Stromwall talks with Wes Lyons of Eagle Venture Fund, who leads the firm's counter-trafficking vertical. A missionary kid turned Naval Academy rower and naval aviator, Wes shares the 2018 mission in the Philippines that convinced him evil is structural and worth fighting. He explains what impact investing actually is, why he separates the "root" of investing from its "fruit," and how portfolio companies get paid to deliver the change they want to see — including one funded by money seized from traffickers. (Note: discusses human trafficking.)

KEY TAKEAWAYS

Intentional community doesn't happen by accident. Wes's decade-long mastermind of five financial advisors started because one man went hunting for people who shared his heart. They meet monthly, adventure annually, and press each other on whether their calendars and bank accounts match their stated values.

An unconventional path into finance. Raised homeschooled in a missionary family, Wes was recruited to row at the Naval Academy — largely to escape what he feared would be "a slow death in suburbia." He and his wife flew P-3s for nearly a decade.

Impact investing, defined simply. Investing for a financial return and a measurable change in the world. For Wes's vertical, success is measured in both investor gain and children rescued or traffickers arrested.

Venture capital started as a search for non-correlated returns. After 2008, when "the entire screen turned red at the same time," Wes hunted for assets that wouldn't move with the Fed — which led him to early-stage founders solving enormous problems profitably.

Separate the root from the fruit. If asked why he married his wife, answering "to get four blue-eyed boys" would be an awkward pause — that's the fruit, not the root. Financial performance is investing's most obvious fruit, not its purpose.

The Philippines made evil concrete. Supporting Filipino forces against ISIS, Wes was tasked to find children being used in combat. He didn't find them that day. The experience replaced a vague theology with a conviction that structural evil exists and is worth fighting.

Entrepreneurs keep expanding what's possible. One portfolio company builds case packages for law enforcement and shares in assets seized from trafficking networks — traffickers funding their own demise. Another helps homeless people off the street, paid by hospitals that spend roughly $8,000 a month per homeless person nearby.

Bolt-on vs. direct impact. Rather than bolting philanthropy onto a business, Eagle backs companies paid to create the change, so revenue and impact are directly correlated. For any leader, Wes points to three dimensions: the redemptiveness of the work itself, the effect on employees, and what you do with the profits — a great plumber included.

LINKS

eagleventurefund.com
LinkedIn: Eagle Venture Fund

On this episode of the On The Rise Podcast, host Jeremy Dyer talks with Nathan Jameson, who scaled a homebuilding company from $30 million to $160 million before moving into manufactured housing. Now on his third fund, Nathan explains why mobile home communities stay uncorrelated to economic cycles, how cost segregation makes returns largely tax-deferred, and why supply keeps shrinking as demand climbs. He breaks down the three tiers of the asset class, where real value-add comes from, and what new federal legislation could mean for financing. A first-of-its-kind conversation for the show.

From homebuilding through the Great Recession.
Nathan turned down a Lehman Brothers offer for the "tangible built environment," then spent 15 years building one of the country's largest privately owned homebuilders — and living through a downturn most younger operators haven't.

Manufactured housing is uncorrelated to the economy.
After a career in cyclical homebuilding, Nathan chose an asset class that holds up either direction. He sees manufactured housing and self-storage as the only two effectively uncorrelated to economic growth and decline.

The tax treatment was an unexpected win.
Most of the acquisition isn't land — it's land improvements like roads, water, and sewer. With cost segregation, those losses can make an investor's position effectively tax-deferred for years.

Supply is shrinking while demand grows.
Aging owners sell to buyers who redevelop into data centers, warehouses, or apartments, so national supply keeps falling. Regulation makes new development financially infeasible, and Nathan can't name another asset class with that dynamic.

Contrarian by design.
"If an investment is something somebody wants to talk about at a cocktail party, I'm probably not interested." Stigma, to Nathan, signals mispricing.

There are three tiers — and they target the middle.
The bottom tier is the stigmatized trailer park, where raising rents to market "totals the homes." The top is nearly indistinguishable from site-built housing. Nathan's funds work the middle, where value can be added and harvested.

Value-add starts with infrastructure, then infill.
First: deferred maintenance, utilities, and paving. Then: bringing in new homes and selling them to residents who rent the land. Well-maintained communities build equity for residents, not just owners.

Cash flow is a J-curve, and the industry is maturing.
Going-in cash-on-cash can start below a Treasury yield before growing to roughly 8–12% through rent increases and infill. Meanwhile institutional capital is compressing cap rates, much as apartments matured decades ago.

Website: https://arxcapital.com/
Email: nathan@arxcapital.com

00:00 Introduction

00:58 From Lehman Offer to Homebuilding

04:19 Why Manufactured Housing?

04:59 The Depreciation Advantage

07:10 Shrinking Supply, Rising Demand

09:46 The Three Tiers of Manufactured Housing

12:16 Where the Value-Add Comes From

14:48 Cash Flow in Today's Market

16:51 New Legislation and the Chassis Rule

18:54 The Cycle and the Institutional Future

Welcome to the Freedom Point Real Estate podcast! In today's episode, Jeremy Dyer switches things up... instead of interviewing his guest, his guest interviews him. Nick Stromwall asks Jeremy about how he came to be VP of Capital Formation and Rise 48, why he prioritizes capital and connection, and so much more.

Want to learn more? Visit www.startingpointcapital.com

Nick Stromwall is the founder of Oak and Vine Capital, where he helps faith-driven investors multiply their money and impact. With a background in ministry and leadership development, he now serves as a fund manager and General Partner in real estate and energy investments. As VP of Efficiency and Innovation at Rise48, Nick streamlines systems to maximize returns and investor experience. He's passionate about Kingdom Impact and helping others win at work, with family, and in community. Nick lives in Iowa with his wife and four kids and loves the outdoors, mountain biking, and music.

CONNECT WITH NICK STROMWALL!

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickstromwall/

Website: https://www.oakandvinecapital.com/

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William Walker, a Nashville-based real estate developer, licensed general contractor, and CPA, shares how he went from underwriting large multifamily transactions at Ernst and Young to acquiring more than 1,500 apartment units, exiting that portfolio, and now developing a luxury wellness condo project on Music Row. The conversation covers faith in the workplace, leadership in a fast-growing real estate business, and what it looks like to make decisions with both conviction and discipline.We discuss how William built his career by combining technical analysis, deal-making instincts, and a willingness to take massive action. He also shares how Scripture, prayer, and intentional leadership shape the way he works and what he wants his life and business to stand for.

Key topics

• William’s path from CPA to developer
  • He started at Ernst and Young in transaction real estate, where he learned underwriting, diligence, valuation, and deal analysis by working on large commercial real estate transactions.
• How the SMR project was conceived
  • William explains that SMR is an 18-unit luxury wellness condo in Nashville designed around convenience, privacy, and longevity-focused living.
• Faith as a foundation, not a slogan
  • William says faith has always been a North Star and moral compass, even when he has not always lived it perfectly.
• Putting Scripture into the foundation of a building
  • He shares how he had four Scriptures engraved on steel plates and poured into the concrete corners of a development’s foundation.
• Practical ways he lives out faith at work
  • He had a pastor pray over a groundbreaking ceremony.
• Leadership during rapid portfolio growth
  • William reflects on acquiring 13 assets and more than 1,500 units in a little over 16 months.
• Why he sold the apartment portfolio in 2021
  • He expected to buy and hold forever, but investor expectations, strong offers, and signs of market overheating changed the calculus

Connect with William

Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/williamwalker1/

Website: https://www.walkstarco.com/

Welcome to the Freedom Point Real Estate podcast! In this episode, Dana Udumulla and Jeremy Dyer cover what a self-directed IRA is, how it's different from a normal IRA, what using this investment strategy means for you, and much more!

Want to learn more? Visit www.startingpointcapital.com

Dana Udumulla joined Madison Trust Company in February 2020. As Manager of the Investments and Compliance Department, she currently oversees her team of specialists and works constantly on improving processes for better departmental procedures. She is keen on streamlining investment procedures as well as exploring new investment ventures for the future. She strives to promote a positive, caring and collaborating environment, fitting in perfectly with Madison Trust's company culture. Dana recently earned her Master of Financial Analysis and is currently pursuing her level one CFA Certification.

CONNECT WITH DANA UDUMULLA!

Website: https://www.madisontrust.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thanuriudumulla/

Email: investments@madisontrust.com

CONNECT WITH JEREMY DYER!

Website: https://startingpointcapital.com/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/startingpointcapital/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremydyer

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