In Volume Six: Chapter Eleven of The Program, we welcome a Hamilton, Ontario–based educator, writer, poet, essayist, composer, and musician Gary Barwin. With a BFA and BA from York University and a PhD in Music Composition from SUNY Buffalo, Barwin has built a career that refuses to stay in one lane. He’s the author of more than thirty books and chapbooks—including Yiddish for Pirates, winner of the 2017 Stephen Leacock Medal for Humour and the Canadian Jewish Literary Award for Fiction, and shortlisted for both the Scotiabank Giller Prize and the Governor General’s Award. His newest collaboration, Muttertongue—co-authored with Toronto Poet Laureate Lillian Allen and friend of the podcast Gregory Betts—is a bold fusion of both poetry and sound.

In our conversation, Gary and I trace the through-lines of a life shaped by movement, music, and story. We talk about his family’s journey—from Lithuania to South Africa, through Northern Ireland, and finally to Canada—and how those histories reflects through his creative work. We discuss his grandfather’s influence, the man who first took him seriously as a writer, and the way family narratives—of exile, resilience, and humor—continue to surface in his art.

We also explore Hamilton’s quiet but powerful role in his creative life, how writing and music speak the same emotional language, and why he believes creativity isn’t something that fades—it deepens. Gary discusses the leap from poetry to prose when writing Yiddish for Pirates, what that process taught him about discipline and discovery, and what it felt like to have that debut novel embraced so widely after decades of writing poetry and composing music.

Finally, we dig into Muttertongue—how the collaboration with Allen and Betts came together, what it means to work at the intersection of sound, text, and visual poetry, and how they hope audiences experience the project as both a book and an album.

Contact Gary
Website: garybarwin.com Instagram: @garybarwin

Recorded Spoken Word Performances Featured Include:

King Yaw – Poetry Service
Instagram: @kingyaw_

Terisa Siagatonu – Note To Self
Instagram: @terisasiagatonu Website: terisasiagatonu.com

Gabrielle Smith – Black Bird
Instagram: @bygabriellesmith

Nelle Divine – Dont Fall In Love With A Healer
Instagram: @iamnelledivine

AkeemJamaal Rollins – Suicide Note
Instagram: @keemyjam

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In Volume Six, Chapter Ten we welcomed Hoboken, New Jersey–based educator, poet, writer, and author Isabella DeSendi.

A 2024 Pushcart Prize nominee, 2024 Ruth Lilly Fellowship finalist, 2024 Best New Poets selection, and 2025 New Jersey Fellowship finalist, Isabella earned her MFA from Columbia University. Her 2020 chapbook Through the New Body won the Poetry Society of America’s Chapbook Fellowship, and her debut full-length collection Someone Else’s Hunger was released September 15th via Four Way Books.

In our conversation, Isabella talks about what it’s been like to live inside the excitement and vulnerability of releasing her first book while touring, and how she navigates the tension between Isabella the writer and Bella the person. We discuss how her understanding of voice, fear, and visibility evolved between Through the New Body and Someone Else’s Hunger, and how she has learned to “call a monster by his name” through the act of writing.

Isabella shares how her family’s stories — her mother’s, her abuela’s — shaped her voice and sense of resilience, and how iconic figures like Eve, Mary, and Medusa stand beside those familial presences in her poems. We talk about the slow, deliberate process that shapes her work, how hunger became both the literal and spiritual thread uniting her collection, and what it means to transform pain into power — to turn the very wound that could have destroyed you into a source of strength.

We also discuss anger’s rightful place in poetry and the complicated beauty of reclamation.

Contact Isabella:
Website: isabelladesendi.com Instagram: @isabellamdesendi

Recorded Spoken Word Performances Featured Include:

Ifrah Hussein – Tell Us
Instagram: @ifrahhussein

Lyrical Faith – Black Boy Joy
Instagram: @lyricalfaithpoetry

Masterpiece Poet – Slingshot
Instagram: @masterpiecepoetry Website: masterpiecepoetry.com

Rick Dove – A Poetic Conceit
Instagram: @rickdove Website: rickdove.co.uk

Lionheart– Pretty Hurts
Instagram: @lionheartfelt Website: lionheartonline.com

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In Volume Six: Chapter Nine, we welcome Dr. Irène Mathieu — a Washington, D.C.–born, Virginia-based pediatrician, educator, researcher, and award-winning poet. She earned her BA in International Relations from the College of William & Mary, her MD from Vanderbilt University, and a Master’s in Public Health from Johns Hopkins. Today she serves as Associate Professor of Pediatrics at the University of Virginia, where she also helps lead programs in Health Humanities, and sits on the board of Virginia Clinicians for Climate Action.

Dr. Mathieu is the author of four books of poetry — The Galaxy of Origins, Orogeny (winner of the Bob Kaufman Book Prize), Grand Marronage (Editor’s Choice for the Gatewood Prize and runner-up for the Cave Canem/Northwestern Book Prize), and her most recent, Milk Tongue (2023). Her work has earned Pushcart Prize nominations, national contest honors, and features in outlets including The Washington Post, NPR, The Los Angeles Times, and more.

Contact Irène:
Website: irenemathieu.com

Recorded Spoken Word Performances Featured Include:

Alyesha Wise – Trauma
Instagram: @alyeshawise Website: alyeshawise.com

Joseph Capehart – Bad Habits
Instagram: @oksolaris

Javon Johnson – Black and Happy
Instagram: @javonism

Denice Frohman – Accents
Instagram: @denicefrohman Website: denicefrohman.com

Jay Ward – Gentrification
Instagram: @jward2030 Website: jwardpoetry.com

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