In this episode, Dr. Travis Montgomery talks with Dr. Jared Kathcart—Assistant Professor of Christian Education at Midwestern Seminary—about the surprising and sanctifying role humility has played in his theological formation and ministry. Jared shares how early confidence gave way to deeply humbling moments in youth ministry, how the Dunning–Kruger effect reveals our spiritual blind spots, and why humility is essential for healthy study, discipleship, and leadership. Their discussion explores how pride distorts learning, how humility opens us to true growth, and why Christians must learn to think of themselves less in order to love God and others well.

About the Podcast

Local Theologians is a podcast for everyday Christians and ministry leaders from Midwestern Seminary's Global Campus. Learn more about online theological education at mbts.edu/global.

Keywords

humility, sanctification, theological education, Christian leadership, pride, ministry formation, Dunning–Kruger effect, discipleship, spiritual growth

Takeaways

• Humility is foundational for Christian life, ministry, and theological study.

• The Dunning–Kruger effect explains why new learners often feel overconfident—and why growth requires recognizing our limitations.

• Pride can distort ministry motivation, while humility enables genuine service to others.

• Humility allows Christians to learn from Scripture, professors, mentors, and life experiences.

• Formal and informal theological education flourish when motivated by love for God and neighbor, not self-promotion.

• Recognizing what we do not know—and what no mere human can ultimately know—keeps us grounded and worshipful.

• True growth occurs where humility meets opportunity, whether in a classroom, a pulpit, or a youth room.

Sound Bites

• “Humility wasn’t on my list—but it’s become the most important part of my formation.”

• “The more I learned, the more I realized how much I didn’t know.”

• “Education serves the kingdom best when it’s not about me.”

• “Some of God’s greatest lessons come disguised as moments of embarrassment.”

• “Humility is not thinking less of yourself, but thinking of yourself less.”