On this episode, we sit down with Chief Dave Robertson to explore how chief-level officers can bridge the gap between frontline firefighters and white-shirt leadership. Chief Robertson dives into the dichotomy of leadership—balancing command presence with approachability—and shares insights on why hiring for character is crucial to building a resilient and effective team. We also discuss practical strategies to engage new fire officers and emphasize the ongoing importance of training and competency in shaping tomorrow’s leaders.

On this episode, Nick & Tom sit down with Battalion Chief Patrick Wirkus of the City of Elizabeth Fire Dept (NJ) to discuss chief officers as division supervisors on the fire ground. They discuss the premise of the concept, how and when to implement it and about his journey through continually learning in the fire service.

This conversation was based on his article "Using Chief Officers as Division Supervisors" published in Fire Engineering.

Chief Wirkus is also the owner of Division Command Training, LLC.

On this episode, we sit down with Firefighter Chris Maleta, the founder of Carry the Flag. Chris brings with him 17 years of experience and a mission-driven mindset that’s helped launch a brand that resonates with patriotism, service, and leadership. We’re excited to dive into his story, the purpose behind the brand, and the lessons he’s picked up along the way.

www.carrytheflagusa.com