Marketing in 2025 is being shaped by what some experts call a 'polycrisis' - disruption layered upon disruption. From global conflicts to inflation to AI-driven job shifts, the market conditions facing both brands and consumers are becoming more complex and unpredictable. For marketers, the challenge isn’t just keeping up; it’s finding ways to cut through the noise and still build for the long term.

In this episode of Smarter Marketer, Host James Lawrence (Co-Founder, Rocket Agency) speaks with Dan Robertson-Jones (Partner, Kantar) about the findings from Kantar’s recent report on marketing effectiveness in Australia. They discuss the pressures driving short-term thinking, the impact of brand erosion, why creative quality matters more than most marketers realise and how consumer behaviour is changing as 'sameness' floods the markets.

Whether you’re a CMO navigating budget scrutiny or a marketer trying to align brand and performance, this conversation offers a clear-eyed view of where marketing is heading and how to adapt.

• Why Australian marketers are facing mounting pressure to prove short-term ROI
• The risks of over-indexing on performance marketing
• How consumers are reshaping brand relationships as economies face stress from the polycrisis
• The drop in meaningfully different brands over the past decade, and what’s driving it
• How the “sea of sameness” in creative is eroding the effectiveness of marketing
• Why cultural relevance is key to standing out
• Why consistency across touchpoints is harder now, and how measurement systems can bridge short and long-term goals
• The importance of boldness and foresight for growth in a volatile market

Read the report here: Marketing Effectiveness Hub

Dan Robertson-Jones is a Partner at Kantar, one of the world’s leading marketing data and analytics companies. With over two decades of experience in strategic marketing research, Dan helps brands navigate disruption and decode shifting consumer behaviour.

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This is the definitive podcast for Australian marketers. Join Rocket Agency Co-Founder and best-selling author, James Lawrence in conversation with marketers, leaders, and thinkers about what it takes to be a smarter and more successful marketer.

Most marketers are pressured to focus their energy on the 5% of buyers ready to purchase today, but what about the 95% who aren’t in market yet? Ignoring them likely means missing your biggest growth opportunity. Building mental availability with future buyers is critical, yet often overlooked in the rush to chase immediate sales.

In this episode, James Lawrence (Co-Founder, Rocket Agency) sits down with Nick Palmer (CEO, House of Brand) to unpack what it really means to balance current and future demand. They explore why brand building is still misunderstood, how demand generation works differently in B2B vs B2C, and why many marketers still struggle to make the case for long-term investment internally. Expect insights on how mental availability drives growth, what it takes to win both short-term conversions and tomorrow’s customers, and practical ways to make brand work count in 2025.

Whether you’re working with a lean budget or leading a brand with national reach, this conversation will challenge how you think about demand generation.

• Why marketers are pushing back against vanity metrics - and what they’re focusing on instead
• How big brands and small brands should think differently about performance vs brand
• Why chasing perfect attribution can lead you in the wrong direction
• What you can measure when it comes to brand - and how to make it count
• What to prioritise when building future demand in B2B vs B2C
• How to stay top of mind with buyers long before they’re ready to act

Nick is a brand and communications researcher and strategist, and a recognised specialist in measuring advertising effectiveness, with global experience in agencies ranging from Millward Brown to Hall & Partners. Through his role as CEO at House of Brand, Nick relentlessly pursues breakthrough brand insights for clients.

James Lawrence LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jameslawrenceoz/

Smarter Marketer Website: https://rocketagency.com.au/smarter-marketer-podcast

Rocket Agency Website: https://rocketagency.com.au/

Rocket Agency LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/rocket-agency-pty-ltd/

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This is the definitive podcast for Australian marketers. Join Rocket Agency Co-Founder and best-selling author, James Lawrence in conversation with marketers, leaders, and thinkers about what it takes to be a smarter and more successful marketer.

B2B service firms have been told to niche down, build helpful content and trust the funnel. But in today’s competitive market, where everyone is applying the same formula, it’s not enough to stand out. When every firm looks and sounds the same, buyers tune out.

In this episode, Host James Lawrence, Co-Founder of Rocket Agency, sits down with B2B messaging strategist Alex James to unpack a smarter way forward. You’ll learn why having a clear perspective is more powerful than having the best tips, tactics or templates - and how your point of view can become your biggest differentiator in a crowded market.

We dig into the dangers of short-term metrics, why most B2B content fails to convert and how B2B service firms can win more work without blowing big budgets. This one’s for marketers who are done chasing clicks and ready to build something better.

• Alex’s marketing journey and the story behind his viral post: A Niche is No Longer Enough
• What it means to have a “perspective” in B2B marketing and why it matters
• Why messaging is not the same as copywriting and why you should know the difference
• What to focus on when 99% of your audience isn’t ready to buy
• The unique marketing challenges faced by B2B service firms compared to B2B SaaS businesses
• How professional services firms use perspective to create perceived differentiation - when their offer isn’t obviously unique
• Why content built around “best practices” often fails to generate demand
• Real-world examples of perspective-led marketing - including what B2B marketers can learn from Donald Trump’s campaign messaging strategy

Alex James is a B2B messaging strategist and the founder of Minimalist Marketing Co, a Melbourne-based consultancy that works with B2B service firms across the US and Europe. Drawing on over a decade of experience and a journey that spans multiple marketing roles, viral TikToks and content that’s shaped entire client pipelines, Alex helps firms build standout perspectives that resonate with buyers.

You can follow Alex on LinkedIn.

James Lawrence LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jameslawrenceoz/

Smarter Marketer Website: https://rocketagency.com.au/smarter-marketer-podcast

Rocket Agency Website: https://rocketagency.com.au/

Rocket Agency LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/rocket-agency-pty-ltd/

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This is the definitive podcast for Australian marketers. Join Rocket Agency Co-Founder and best-selling author, James Lawrence in conversation with marketers, leaders, and thinkers about...