In this episode, Carlos Gonzalez de Villaumbrosia, CEO at Product School, interviews Vanessa Lee, Vice President of Product at Shopify, the engine of global commerce powering over $1.1 trillion in sales. As the most senior product leader at Shopify reporting directly to the CEO, Vanessa oversees the product strategy for a platform with a $165B+ market cap and recent 30% year-over-year revenue growth. A two-time YC founder, Vanessa brings a builder’s mindset to leadership, emphasizing the need for technical fluency and courage as a service when making high-stakes decisions.

What you'll learn:

• AI-Native Playbook: How Shopify transitioned from traditional SaaS to agent-led commerce.
• Internal AI Evals: How to use LLM-based judges to grade and ensure product quality.
• Technical Product Leadership: Why staying involved in API details and technical cohesion is critical for senior roles.
• The Versioning Framework: The strategy Vanessa used to successfully push back and convince her CEO to version Shopify's API.

Key Takeaways:

• Beyond the PRD: Shifting focus from rigid specs to training AI models for non-deterministic outcomes.
• Courage as a Service: How to leverage deep domain expertise to find your screw it moment and drive organizational change.
• The Founder Mindset: Maintaining autonomy and an experimental spirit within a 10,000-person global organization.

Credits:
Host: Carlos Gonzalez de Villaumbrosia
Guest: Vanessa Lee

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