Take a quick look through itunes and you'll see two dozen podcasts that have the word 'sales' in the title... and another dozen that don't are essentially are about the same thing.

Pick any one of them and you'll soon discover that they're all for independent contributors - long tactics a la mode (read gimmicks) and short on substantial, actionable advice.

But where's the substantive conversation for sales leaders? Where do CRO's, VPs and the directors who lead sales teams go to get help on the sticky, nuanced world of sales leadership.

Here. They come here.

This show is unlike any others in that it's a no-nonsense podcast where we go after the big sticky topics of sale leadership - nothing is off limits - as we aim to grow ourselves and those sales pros we lead.

Kalon Stephen is a smart guy with an interesting career journey... that's led him into sales.

Presently serving as the VP of sales for Saleforce's Commerce Cloud (super interesting technology btw) he shares his thoughts on leadership, the role (and need) for diversity in sales, and why he thinks 2020 might be the best year we ever had.

Managing a team is challenging anyway, but in this refreshingly candid conversation Nathan Easom talks about his experience of taking over a team right as the world went into lockdown.

Nathan is the director of sales at Impact - a Santa Barbra based platform to help enterprises manage and maximize third party partnerships (I think I'm explaining that right).

Hang around and you'll see what I absolutely adore about Nathan's approach to leadership, the line between training and coaching, and why leaders would do well to think like fathers & mothers.