Episode Summary

What can we learn when we stop speaking about Black children and start listening to them?

In this episode, I talk with Dr. Tara Kirton about her research exploring how Black children and their families experience early childhood education. Instead of relying only on adults' perspectives, Dr. Kirton invited young children to share their own stories about school, their teachers, and what helps them feel safe, valued, and excited to learn.

We discuss why relationships matter, how something as simple as saying a child's name correctly can shape their sense of belonging, and what educators can do to create classrooms where every child feels seen and affirmed. Together, we also examine how racism, adultification, and teacher preparation influence children's everyday experiences in school.

This conversation is a reminder that children have important stories to tell—and that listening to them can change how we think about teaching, learning, and justice in early childhood education.

About the guest

Dr. Kirton holds an EdD in Curriculum and Teaching with a specialization in Early Childhood Education from Teachers College, Columbia University. She has held various positions in early childhood education over the past twenty years, some of which include preschool teacher, special education itinerant teacher (SEIT), curriculum writer, professional development facilitator, and consultant. As a SEIT Dr. Kirtonpartnered with families to advocate for young children with dis/abilities to have access to joyful learning experiences every day and to be fully integrated into their classroom environment.

About the host

Dr. Michelle DeJohnette is an Assistant Professor of Early Childhood Studies. Her work focuses on preparing early childhood educators to teach critically and responsibly through anti-racist and social justice frameworks. Drawing on critical theories and culturally responsible pedagogy, her research interrogates how systems of discipline, punishment, and surveillance reproduce inequities and anti-Blackness in Black children’s early learning experiences.

Across her teaching, research, and public scholarship, Dr. DeJohnette is committed to building inclusive, liberatory learning spaces where all children and families are seen, valued, and supported.

Credits

• Cover art by: Emporium Designs; Podcast Branding
• Outro Music: "Lift Every Voice and Sing" Thomasina Petrus & Kashimana Ahua

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