What happens when behavioral science moves beyond client programming and becomes a leadership framework?

In this episode, Dr. Esther C. Bubb sits down with Victoria “Tori” Perko, BCBA, Director of Behavior Services and BCBA Coordinator of ABA Clinics, to explore how applied behavior analysis shapes leadership across people, systems, and organizational change.

Tori shares her journey from graduate student to leading multi-site preschool ABA clinics, including opening three clinics in one year, and how her path was shaped by a path shaped by mentorship, family, and unexpected moments of purpose.

They discuss:

• How leaders can adjust environments to help people bloom
• The role of humility, growth mindset, and compassion in team development
• Balancing authority with approachability and compassion with accountability
• Avoiding learned helplessness in teams
• Why practicality is the most underrated leadership skill
• Using the “five whys” for systems-level problem solving
• How to develop future leaders by supporting their values, barriers, and strengths
• Why behavior analysts belong in every industry, not just education or mental health

This episode is rich with reflection, vulnerability, and actionable insights for clinicians, rising leaders, seasoned supervisors, and anyone committed to creating meaningful, sustainable change.

Listen in and reflect: What environment are you shaping today?

Tori’s Bio:

Victoria Perko is a Board Certified Behavior Analyst (BCBA) with experience leading ABA-based programs across clinic, school, home, and community settings. Her leadership philosophy is grounded in accountability, empathy, and continuous improvement, with a strong focus on creating inclusive, learner-centered environments where evidence-based practice and human-centered care coexist. Through strategic supervision, professional development, and systems-level problem solving, Victoria promotes high standards of clinical excellence while supporting access to effective behavioral services.

In her roles as Director of Behavior Services and BCBA Coordinator of ABA Clinics, Victoria has provided clinical and operational oversight for multi-site programs, supervising BCBAs, behavior specialists, and direct care staff. She has led initiatives to strengthen assessment practices, ensure fidelity to evidence-based interventions, and maintain compliance with state regulations, insurance requirements, and IBHS standards. Her work emphasizes clear systems, data-informed decision-making, and staff development to promote consistent, ethical service delivery across settings. Victoria is deeply committed to collaborative leadership, working closely with families, educators, medical providers, and community partners to develop individualized, functional programming that supports meaningful outcomes and long-term skill generalization.