Jim Herrington grew up the eighth of nine kids in Kansas City, raised largely by his mother and siblings in a household where you learned fast how to get along, advocate for each other, and show up for the people around you. He spent over 25 years as a Kansas City police officer before becoming Director of Safety and Emergency Management at Kansas City University -- and the through line across all of it is the same: the leaders who actually changed people weren't the ones with the best credentials or the highest test scores. They were the ones who showed up as human beings first.
In this conversation with Kristina Katayama, Jim reflects on what two and a half decades of working with people in crisis taught him about leadership, accountability, and what it means to genuinely have someone's back. He talks about what it felt like to fail the sergeant's exam five times and keep going, about the supervisors who led through fear versus the ones who quietly changed the room without ever raising their voice, and about a moment at a train station -- just after becoming a grandfather for the first time -- that he still considers the most important thing he ever did in uniform.
What you'll take away from this conversation:

Why the leaders who shaped Jim most weren't always the good ones, and what learning from a bad boss actually looks like in practice
What 25 years of policing taught him about meeting people at their worst and why that's where real leadership begins
The quiet supervisor who de-escalated a situation from 50 feet away, without saying a word about what Jim was doing wrong
Why failing the sergeant's exam five times didn't stop him, and what kept him going when the system didn't reflect what he knew he could do
How active shooter training actually changes behaviour, and why compliance-first programmes often miss the point entirely
What his mother's fierce advocacy for him as a struggling reader taught him about what people need from their leaders

Connect with Jim Herrington on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-herrington-mba-cpp-2ba4192a
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Grounded Engagement: Liberating Leadership is a podcast for leaders who know that real change goes deeper than tools, frameworks, and training programmes. Hosted by Kristina Katayama, founder of Be Possible and a whole systems change consultant with over 25 years of experience across 30+ countries, each episode is a genuine conversation with leaders navigating the hardest parts of organisational life — culture gaps, leadership transitions, equity work that stalls, and the tension between who an organisation says it is and what people actually experience every day.
Kristina brings a rare combination of cross-sector pattern recognition, relational depth, and a belief that transformation starts with how people relate to each other — not with the next initiative or intervention. Her guests are the leaders doing that work in real organisations, in real time. If you lead a team, a department, or an entire organisation and you're ready for honest conversation about what it actually takes to build a culture of belonging and vitality, this show is for you.