This week we’re taking a bit of a departure from all things memoir to celebrate independent media with Roxane Gay and Debbie Millman, who bought “The Rumpus” in 2025. We’re supporting their relaunch in this interview, and talking about the indie media landscape, some of their new initiatives, when they knew they were buying the magazine, and also the all-important role their dog Max plays in the new endeavor. We invite you to please support indie media in all the ways you can. Sign up to become a Rumpus member, and as Brooke and Grant suggest in their opening banter, small gestures go a long ways—like “Buy Me a Coffee” where you can tip Memoir Nation for the suggested amount of $5 if you like this or future shows. And thank you!

Founded in 2009, “The Rumpus” is an influential independent online literary magazine dedicated to fostering community and championing diverse perspectives. For over 15 years, the publication has served as a premier platform for emerging and established voices, publishing original fiction, poetry, essays, interviews, comics, and cultural criticism that challenge, provoke, and inspire. Work published in “The Rumpus” has consistently earned the literary world’s highest honors, including Pushcart Prizes, PEN America awards, Best American anthology selections, and Best of the Net recognitions. This week’s guests are the new owners of “The Rumpus,” partners in life and in this collaboration—literary goddess Roxane Gay and brand strategist and visionary Debbie Millman.

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